You Think You Don’t Kill Animals Because You Don’t Eat Meat? Wrong, Says Argentinian Naturalist

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Among vegans and vegetarians, there are those who choose to do so simply because they prefer it – they do not like to eat meat.

And that’s perfectly fine. However, a lot more people who will say that they are on such a diet decided to stop eating meat for the love of animals, compassion, and in order to stop the killing.

This second group might be wrong and their reasoning is less logical. It may sound contradictory, to say the least, but not only that they participate in the killing of animals just like omnivores do, they might even harm animal life more than the meat eaters.

At least, that’s what claims Claudio Bertonatti, one of the most famous Argentinian naturalists, people who have dedicated their lives to nature. In his article “The vegan misconceptions” he warned the readers why by eating vegetables you still support the killing of animals. This drew the anger of thousands of vegans and vegetarians but also their colleagues who deal with environmental protection.

However, if you listen to his arguments carefully, you must admit that they make some sense.

“I was an ardent vegetarian. As a teenager, I grew up in connection and love for nature. I thought I could avoid killing many animals if I become a vegetarian. Later, I studied that topic a little better, I went into the wilderness and studied the local vegetable-animal world and then I changed my mind, ” explains Bertonatti in an interview for

“I went to the country to study the wildlife. I realized that in the fields of wheat there are no birds, and those few that are found there are persecuted by farmers. As a vegetarian, I actually influenced the less killing of domestic animals, not the wild ones.”

“In Argentina, many think they are fighting for the animals if they do not eat meat or wear leather clothes. They think, if there were more vegetarians in the world, fewer animals will be killed. This is not true. From the moment humans began to cultivate cereals and work in the fields, it has already made an impact on nature and especially the wildlife.

There are no animal species that are not connected to the system, the survival of some depends on death, whether directly or indirectly. I understand that this knowledge can be painful. I’d like to live in an ideal world,” he explains.

“When I say this, many feel under attack. Rice, corn, pastry … most vegetarians eat it. The first impact of such foods production is the loss of forests. We are forcing nature to make room for crops. Many rainforests around the globe disappeared due to wheat and corn fields. And we continue destroying the nature by preventing the birds to feed. Many farmers use poisons against these birds.

For other animals, they put electric fences or scare them away with guns. So, if you eat meat, you participate in killing animals. But if you eat vegetables, again you participate in the killing of animals. But this time, you are helping in killing the wild animals,” says Bertonatti.

Should vegans abandon their diet because they can’t possibly cause zero animal deaths? From his PlayGround interview, it appears that renowned’ Argentine naturalist Claudio Bertonatti thinks they should.

Watch this really interesting video:

So what are your thoughts on this? Do Bertonatti’s statements make any sense to you?

I personally think he needs to do some more research!


By Apollonas K.


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  1. Farmer K Natural January 25, 2017 at 1:12 am - Reply

    A lot of that food production and deforestation is specifically to feed the animals that will feed humans. Why not just eat the crops and let those animals live? Grow your own food Mkay?

    • Sea Bass October 6, 2017 at 11:02 pm - Reply

      sorry – i didnt meant to reply to your specific post, i meant to just comment in general – to clarify, i totally agree with your comment! it’s spot on!

  2. Nathalie Felëus January 25, 2017 at 1:25 am - Reply

    Watch this and you understand that eating meat is even a way to save the earth 🙂

  3. Joanne Collinson January 25, 2017 at 2:05 am - Reply

    wrong……we grow tonnes more grain to feed the animals we eat so for those wild animals that may lose their habitat things would not change. less domestic animals would exist if we didn’t breed them for food freeing up thousands of acres of land.

  4. Ron Sharoni January 25, 2017 at 2:35 am - Reply

    Exactly like Carol says, no one thinking you can live without hurting anyone we are trying to minimize the impact and there is no question it will work.

  5. Carol Elizabeth Gough January 25, 2017 at 2:42 am - Reply

    His argument is invalid. His reasoning is faulty. The amount of forest razed to grow enough grain to feed factory farmed animals is many times more than what is required to feed a vegan populace. Water, fossil fuels, pesticide runoff are also 4-8 times greater than would be expended for vegan needs. 8 times as many fossil fuels, 4 times as much water, etc. are required to produce animal protein.

  6. Life Advancer January 25, 2017 at 8:47 am - Reply

    Hello everyone,

    I’m really sorry that so many people think we are trying to promote a specific idea or something. Our purpose is just to bring a topic for discussion and give some food for thought, that’s all.
    As the first lines of the article stated:

    “Among vegans and vegetarians, there are those who choose to do so simply because they prefer it – they do not like to eat meat.

    And that’s perfectly fine!!!!!!”

    We don’t have any kind of problem with vegans or meat eaters. Everyone is free to eat whatever he/she wants. Before you start to blame a whole website, please keep in mind that a specific article might just be the personal opinion of the author.

  7. Joel Feodiyoup January 25, 2017 at 6:04 am - Reply

    What are the cows fed? Grain. For years. To provide a few meals. If that grain is used to feed people instead of cows, then it feeds a lot more people. A vegetarian diet results in less death than a meat eating diet. Really, how can someone write an article about this and not have done the research to take into account that meat producers rely on massive volumes of grain to produce the meat, making the whole point of the article invalid?

    • Lyubomir Ivanov January 25, 2017 at 6:49 am - Reply

      You conveniently forget one important detail, however – animals utilize plant food better than humans. It is more efficient and environment-friendly to feed the grain to animals than to eat it directly. In exchange, animals give us more protein, more energy and more vital nutrients.

    • Malati Devi Dasi January 25, 2017 at 7:18 am - Reply

      Lyubomir Ivanov So 1 kg of beef is more nutitious than 25 – 50 kgs of grains needed to grow it? LOL!!!

    • Joel Feodiyoup January 25, 2017 at 11:10 am - Reply

      Lyubomir Ivanov I’m not an expert on how efficient different animals are at utilizing food. But think about this: for how many years was that cow fed grain until it reached the age where it could be slaughtered for human food? When you consume that meat, all those years of feeding the animal grain also was necessary. Even if the animal is slightly more efficient at utilizing the grain, it can’t compare to the alternative which is to just feed the grain directly to humans. All those years of grain go to feed humans, or we still farm all of that grain, except we just end up with one animal worth of food. They both use the same amount of grain, but the vegetarian option feeds far more people.

    • Miguel Sanchez January 31, 2017 at 6:39 am - Reply

      MH … This chart or meme or whatever it is is misleading in that the percentages are along different scales.

    • Miguel Sanchez January 31, 2017 at 6:43 am - Reply

      Here we go…

      My guess is that someone made this chart by combining data from a chart about vegetables and a chart about meat. Each of the two charts that got combined was true, but they were measuring protein content two different ways. The combined chart is wrong, because it shows the two different measurements like they’re the same thing, which they aren’t. The person who combined the two charts didn’t read them very carefully, or maybe found the charts without any information explaining them and didn’t realize they were different.

      The vegetables measure protein as a percentage of total calories.
      100 grams of spinach has 23 calories:
      .4 grams of fat (3.6 calories – fat is 9 calories per gram)
      1.9 grams of sugar (7.8 calories – sugar and protein are 4 calories per gram)
      2.9 grams of protein (11.6 calories)
      So of the 23 calories, 11.6 are from protein. That’s 50%, about what’s in the chart.

      The meats measure protein as a percentage of total weight.
      100 grams of chicken has 161 calories:
      9 grams of fat (81 calories)
      0 grams of carbohydrate (0 calories)
      20 grams of protein (80 calories)
      So of the 100 grams, 20 are from protein. That 20% is close to the 23% in the chart.

      To make a true chart that actually compared vegetables and meat, we would need to measure protein in vegetables and meats the same way.

      Both measurements by calories:
      Spinach: 11.6 calories out of 23 calories = 50% protein
      Chicken: 80 calories out of 161 calories = 50% protein

      Both measurements by weight:
      Spinach: 2.9 grams out of 100 = 3% protein
      Chicken: 20 grams out of 100 = 20% protein

      So spinach and chicken both give you about the same amount of protein per calorie, but there’s a lot fewer calories in spinach. As NJ mentioned, vegetables are mostly water. So you have to eat way more vegetables to get a specific amount of protein.

      You would need to eat 2 kilograms of spinach (4 pounds) a day to get all your daily protein from it. I would not enjoy that at all. 🙂

    • Joel Feodiyoup January 31, 2017 at 7:08 am - Reply

      Miguel Sanchez I rode a bicycle across Europe last year. I survived on loaves of bread and fruit/vegetables, and pasta. I didn’t eat any meat. I crossed the alps twice. By the end I felt very strong. Better than at the beginning. How did I get enough protein, given that I paid no attention to protein intake (or any nutrients)? I don’t say that to brag. Others have completed more impressive cycling trips. But I don’t understand how people can say that vegetarians/vegans must struggle to get enough protein, given that there are plenty of vegetarians/vegans doing perfectly alright. Did you know that too much protein has been linked to cancer? But supermarkets sell foods artificially crammed with huge quantities of protein.

    • Teri White January 31, 2017 at 9:25 am - Reply

      Malati Devi Dasi Grain isn’t very good for us, turns out.

    • Georgi Ivanov January 31, 2017 at 10:19 pm - Reply

      Are you taking to account the fuc*ing land that we need to feed 7 billion of people AND much more animals? Much smarter people than you and me thought of this idea already, but why isn’t it implemented yet, because you are going to either starve humans or either starve animals. Just think of it. Around 37% of the world’s land was considered agricultural land. “Christian Peters informs us that “a person following a low-fat vegetarian diet, for example, will need less than half (0.44) an acre per person per year to produce their food”

      “Surprisingly, however, a vegetarian diet is not necessarily the most efficient in terms of land use” he continues

      The reason is simple – fruits, vegetables, and grains must be grown on high-quality arable cropland. Livestock based foods (such as meat and dairy products from ruminant animals) are supported by lower quality, and far more widely available, lands that are only capable of supporting pastures.

      So, based on the last set of global census data (2008) we would require 3,068,444,911 acres of arable land. At that time, the global population was 6 billion and if a global one-child program had been enacted, the ~3,212,369,959 of arable land that was globally available may very well have sufficed.

      Not including the figures for degraded land, Earth is currently losing, due to a range of factors, arable land at the conservative rate of 1% a year. Thus, a more accurate current figure is far closer to that of 3,024,382,549 acres.

      However … we now have a global population that has already crossed the 7,000,000,000 mark, thus the number of arable acres required is far closer to 3,080,000,000 – or put another way, Earth now has a shortfall of ~55,617,451 acres … and rising. In short, we have passed “peak land” and our growing population requires far more arable land than we currently have available to provide the nutrition required for all of those people in a vegan form.

      As iterated, livestock is supported by lower quality (but far more widely available) land that can support pasture and hay. Thus, any claim that presumes we could simply remove the livestock and start growing vegetable or crop-based foods on the existing farm land is flawed.”

    • Cyd Pom Pom February 1, 2017 at 11:46 am - Reply

      Lyubomir Ivanov You really believe that? You just made that up. It does not even stand up to casual acknowledgement let alone scrutiny. If you r point was the case we could be able to magicly double the calories available by passing them through a cow. Twerp!

  8. Thanasis Athanasakos January 25, 2017 at 1:20 pm - Reply

    I think we still have democracy, so everyone is free to eat whatever he wants! Also everyone is free to think and say his opinion, some of you are overreacting to this article!

  9. Rachel Gerstner January 25, 2017 at 1:59 pm - Reply

    Here we go again with this nonsense from an obvious meat eater and not a vegan. Bought and paid by the meat industry, enjoy your propaganda folks. We all know that most of these farms are used for animal agriculture. Stop with the bs.

    • Dane Maxwell January 26, 2017 at 7:05 am - Reply

      Rachael I agree with you 100% This article is absolute nonsense and 100% Fodder/Shite!

  10. Akshay Junghare January 25, 2017 at 2:09 pm - Reply

    This argument is only partially correct. For growing meat & other nonveg lots of vegetarian food is consumed which could be directly consumed by people also. Only these creatures are grown for our sake. Dosen’t that harm the ecosystem?

  11. Paul Grocock January 30, 2017 at 1:23 am - Reply

    Rubbish, eating game and wild animals maybe. But domestic animals consume vast volumes of grown plant food just to produce meat.

  12. Dave Burgess January 30, 2017 at 7:12 am - Reply

    Twisted logic from a moron

  13. Stella Rios Shehi January 30, 2017 at 10:51 am - Reply

    Are you kidding me with this article? Our planet loses acres and acres of rainforest daily to create grazing pastures for cows!

  14. Christopher Pacheco January 30, 2017 at 10:52 am - Reply

    Your logic is flawed. The grains grown to feed animals are exponentially more than what humans consume. If you eat factory farmed meat, that meat has consumed 10x the energy (through grains). So if grains are the problem your doing exponentially more damage and consuming far more grains by eating meat. This is a stupid article and I’m not even a vegan.

  15. Kim Jackson January 30, 2017 at 1:11 pm - Reply

    I do understand this concept. However, the one fact this author neglects to mention is the majority of land that has caused deforestation is actually used to grow feed for animals and is not for human consumption…it’s a fact.

  16. Carol Schwers January 30, 2017 at 2:55 pm - Reply

    This is so flawed. You do not destroy the rainforest to make room for agricultural crops. Crop farming uses a fraction of land that animal factory farming does. This guy is an idiot. It’s animal agriculture that uses up all the land and pollutes the atmosphere, lakes, rivers and streams with animal waste and gases.

  17. Samuel Clough January 30, 2017 at 3:12 pm - Reply

    Omnivore all day everyday.

  18. At Mar January 30, 2017 at 3:49 pm - Reply

    He is just saying that becoming a vegetarian doesn’t mean it will stop killing animals completely. That’s all, if you are vegetarian you are still contributing, don’t worry…

  19. Colin Phillips January 30, 2017 at 4:25 pm - Reply

    I am not a vegetarian or a vegan ..I have no problem with people who want to be for whatever reason …but anyone will know that to grow any vegetable matter in your back yard or in a field you have to feed ..the food is either organic waste or chemicals ..right?

    Already vast swathes of land across America and the rest of the world have turned into dust bowles making the earth baron because of continuous use of chemical fertilizers…. this doesn’t happen if you use organic waste. muck from animal farms is spread every year least here in Britain. But still, too many chemicals are used to deal with the amount of growth. So many by-products of an animal is used daily from soap and washing and cleaning materials foods etc ..I don’t want vast chemical plants vomiting out waste into the atmosphere either ..seems that the problem might be just too many people on the planet and we need to eat much less ,meat and create less waste in our homes .

  20. Ross Quinn January 30, 2017 at 4:47 pm - Reply

    Vertical Farming… problem solved, no need to kill anything.

  21. Carol Elizabeth Gough January 30, 2017 at 4:53 pm - Reply

    If the articles are posted to encourage discussion, they have succeeded. Is that not what we’re doing? Why are people getting so upset? We are all entitled to our opinions, however misguided they may be. I think I was prompted to comment mostly because I was disappointed that a fellow Argentine could be so close-minded. Also, the headline was very confrontational.

  22. Arreesh Rajan January 30, 2017 at 5:03 pm - Reply

    For all the vegans who justify by saying they don’t like to kill animal.

    • Nikitha Sathi January 30, 2017 at 5:19 pm - Reply

      Although a vegan diet does not completely prevent harm to animals, it’s at least less harmful than a non-vegetarian diet and that’s the point they’re trying to make, I think.

    • Pragadish Kirubakaran January 30, 2017 at 5:51 pm - Reply

      It’s not the most scientific of studies, true. But don’t be a kill joy, niggi.

  23. Clive Walsh January 30, 2017 at 3:08 pm - Reply

    The key is to try and live a more self sufficient lifestyle.

  24. Johnny Goldenberg January 30, 2017 at 3:08 pm - Reply

    Give me a call when the shuttle lands Claudio

  25. Anne-Marie Bevan January 30, 2017 at 3:09 pm - Reply

    Who said vegans think they don’t kill animals? They just try their best not to add to the unnecessary abuse and to avoid, to the best of their ability, killing animals. On the other hand, most vegans are not disillusioned to the fact that to live, something has to die, be it plants, or unfortunately somewhere along the line, animals.

    • Kelly Marie Ireland January 30, 2017 at 3:11 pm - Reply

      THANK YOU.

    • Nikki J Nichole January 30, 2017 at 3:16 pm - Reply

      Lol right?!? My goodness… Do they believe I will run out and eat meat now that I’ve read this? Um no! It’s unhealthy and full of hormones and chemicals. Not to mention… It’s someones baby ❤

    • Madge Higgins January 30, 2017 at 3:18 pm - Reply

      Yes, I m just doing my part to not, be involved with the cruel slaughtering houses!!

    • Jess Gaudette January 30, 2017 at 3:41 pm - Reply

      yeah just one flaw in your brilliant logic
      animals-> have eyes, feel pain, have a central nervous system.

      go pick a flower and then go stab a dog and lemme know if it’s still ‘all the same’ lol

    • Jess Gaudette January 30, 2017 at 3:54 pm - Reply

      hm I meant it metaphorically but totally see your point.
      violence isn’t ok in any scenario, I was just taken aback by how someone could compare a plant with a living creature and got heated. (not to say I don’t love my plants of course)

    • Kevin Harris January 30, 2017 at 4:38 pm - Reply

      It’s not possible to live without impacting the environment. Vegetarians and vegans just generally choose a lifestyle that has the smallest impact possible.

    • Hannah Duttera January 30, 2017 at 4:45 pm - Reply

      It’s the supply and demand part of economics, right? Fewer people eat meat, leading to less demand for meat, leading to fewer animals being mass-slaughtered. At least that’s what the guy I’m seeing says. He’s vegetarian so he explained this to me. I eat meat so I mostly figured that if the animals are already dead, why let them go to waste? But that probably just adds to the problem. So breakfast today is a meatless salad

    • Callum Ward January 30, 2017 at 5:12 pm - Reply

      Sustainability? Well what would you say when i say you can live a better healthier life and not eat meat? Is that sustainable enough for you? Silly silly comment

    • Jordan Gifford January 30, 2017 at 5:41 pm - Reply

      All these people saying plants don’t feel and aren’t aware or alive are fucking legit moron’s. Plants respond to a wide range of emotions and physical contact. Fucking science y’all. Just cause you don’t understand their consciousness doesn’t mean they are mindless things that are just there for consuming. You make it out to be superior to eat plants cause it isn’t killing something that’s alive, when in fact a plant is more alive then you could comprehend. Most of you should get your facts straight before coming to a pin point conclusion on how things work.

    • Uros Pajovic January 30, 2017 at 5:46 pm - Reply

      Nikki J Nichole Carson The same can be said for the plants you eat. If it comes from your garden or your pen, or some certainly safe source, then it’s healthy and without any chemicals or hormones. Most meat is healthy in normal amounts, excluding red meat. Overdose of anything can hurt or kill us.

    • Maeve McCluskey January 30, 2017 at 5:48 pm - Reply

      Do plants look like this!

    • Callum Ward January 30, 2017 at 5:48 pm - Reply

      Plants are setient we all know that, but i would rather eat the plant , than eat the cow which man had to destroy plant life to put there and also feed the cow plant life which to then have the cow produce enough green house gases to slowly destroy the world,its pretty simple really cause as little damage as possible,thats a fact too

    • Jordan Gifford January 30, 2017 at 5:54 pm - Reply

      Hester Grove please STFU. If you knew anything about grasses you would know that there is a lot of food that come from grasses. I hate when non well informed citizens try to make someone else seem stupid out of anger. Do some research on grasses Hester!

    • Jordan Gifford January 30, 2017 at 6:05 pm - Reply

      Maeve come on now. We all know what plants look like. Did you mean to say does a plant go through the same abuse as this animal??

    • Jordan Gifford January 30, 2017 at 6:10 pm - Reply

      Bro callum come on man! We all know what we use to farm your plants and veggies. And those machines also cause pollution and global warming on a mass scale. Your car you drive everyday is destroying the world. Just cause you pick a lesser evil doesn’t mean you’re saving the world. That’s a fact.

    • Callum Ward January 30, 2017 at 6:31 pm - Reply

      Who said i was saving the world? Im causing as little damage as possible as i previously stated And the machines used to farm my veggies are a minute fraction compared to how much methane your cows produce

    • Patricia Pauline Roe January 30, 2017 at 6:32 pm - Reply

      Just try their best. How does that change anything?

    • Callum Ward January 30, 2017 at 6:33 pm - Reply

      23 times less to be precise

    • Patricia Pauline Roe January 30, 2017 at 6:43 pm - Reply

      Your veggies or your grains? Because they are not even remotely comparable in terms of environmental impact.

    • Jess Gaudette January 30, 2017 at 7:31 pm - Reply

      animal agriculture-> 24% of greenhouse gas emissions

      all forms of transportation combined-> 13%

      changing regular practices of both would of course be ideal, but one is a much more simple lifestyle change

    • Maeve McCluskey January 30, 2017 at 7:47 pm - Reply

      Jordan Gifford obviously we all know what plants look like! But do they bleed? Or shriek in pain when they are cut open? Do they mourn the loss of a baby? Do vegans cause less suffering than omnivorous? Which would you honestly prefer to live life knowing you’re hurting a living, breathing vertebrae that forms social bonds with members of its own species and even other species, very much like ourselves or to eat a plant! Not everyone understands it but the vegans do ❤️

    • Lacey Heart January 30, 2017 at 7:55 pm - Reply

      Some People just want to make excuses for eating meat.

    • Jordan Gifford January 30, 2017 at 9:21 pm - Reply

      Collum your argument clearly states that you rather eat a plant instead of a cow. Solely on the basis of it not producing green house gases that destroy the world. Which in turn is you trying to save the planet. Wake the fuck up bro. Your car does damage to the planet. Your lights being on. You watching TV. When you charge your phone. Basing your food off the believe it’s doing good for the planet/environment is the last thing you should be complaining about. And I’m not even going to get into the sustainability thing cause I could go off for days on some real shit.

    • Jordan Gifford January 30, 2017 at 9:30 pm - Reply

      Maeve seriously? Your response is because the plants cant outwardly express itself emotionally it should be treated differently than an animal. Wow. Biased much? And just cause you have no clue about plants and how they are alive in their own way, doesn’t make it right or OK to say killing this organism is worse than killing the other.

    • Callum Ward January 30, 2017 at 9:45 pm - Reply

      What part of do as little damage as possible did you not fathom?

    • Linda Skrgatic January 31, 2017 at 12:05 am - Reply

      Awesome comment Anne-Marie very true

    • Amber Watters January 31, 2017 at 4:46 am - Reply

      Jordan Gifford yes! Many studies have shown plants reacting to emotions. Like a study put with terminally I’ll patients. They raised the plants from seedlings, and as the patient got weaker and closer to death the aura of the plants demolished. Especially upon death of the patient, they also showed plants only reacting to certain types of music. No rhym or reason for the particular genre each plant flourished with, they just did. Plants have “male” and “female” , plants have an aura that can be photographed just as any other living thing.

    • Jeff Birgbauer January 31, 2017 at 5:24 am - Reply

      Doubt most think this

    • Ila Cooper January 31, 2017 at 6:30 am - Reply

      Thank you Anne-Marie Bevan much more intelligent and educated answer. I’m not vegan although I’ve been leaning toward it more over the past couple of years. Strictly based on how horribly our food animals are treated and dispatched. I appreciate your reply here.

    • Matthew Davis January 31, 2017 at 10:25 am - Reply

      I’m hearing you. It’s not hard to live the vegan lifestyle, either. I’ve been vegan for almost 2 years, and I’m physically fine.

    • Vanyel Herzig January 31, 2017 at 1:05 pm - Reply

      Vegans think they don’t kill animals and they assume that because they aren’t eating meat, they aren’t adding to the suffering of animals. But they are. To live is to take the life of something else. There’s nothing you can do to escape that, your existence is using up something else’s resources and life. Is that a bad thing? Only if you don’t take advantage of it to do the best you can be, because your body will eventually be given back to sustain lives.

    • Sean Daws January 31, 2017 at 7:06 pm - Reply

      As far as I know no reputable study has ever shown that plants can “feel pain”. They lack the nervous system and brain necessary for this to happen. A plant can respond to stimuli, for example by turning towards the light or closing over a fly, but that is not the same thing. It is also hard to see what purpose pain could serve for the plant, since they can hardly run away. I am aware however that similar arguments were put up in the past in favour of animals not feeling pain! Supposing you decide that it is cruel to eat plants, since they are alive and presumably have sensations of some sort, what are you going to eat? Not a lot left on the menu if meat, and veg are removed, is there? If it is alright so long as you “kill” them first, how is this to be done? Is boiling them alive acceptable? Perhaps it is alright to eat fruit, since the plant sheds these of its own accord, but seeds and nuts are out as they are embryos !
      Susan Deal, Sheffield, UK

      Plants have automatic reflexes. To compare it to animals nervous system and to invalidate the animals we murder would be a shitty thing to do. Go and pick an apple, simple right

      Now go slit the throat of a cow.. not as easy unless you are missing some vital parts in your mind. Please make the connection.
      People love to lie so they can rationalize killing.

    • Tannia Meeth February 1, 2017 at 1:26 am - Reply

      The justification for confining, torturing, mutilating and killing other living, feeling beings debunked in 1 min. Non-vegans: please stop making excuses and go VEGAN. ✌️

    • Harwill Diemling February 1, 2017 at 8:29 am - Reply

      Maurice Antoine There are two paths.

      One condones animal abuse, environmental destruction, species extinction, rainforest destruction. Violence and health problems and rising sea levels.

      The other does not.

  26. Lisa Ann Hillier January 30, 2017 at 3:09 pm - Reply

    i am not vegetarian to save animals. I am vegetarian because i don’t like to eat animals..big difference.

  27. Vera Catti January 30, 2017 at 3:10 pm - Reply

    Wow, this author has no idea that most crops provide food for farm animals.

    • Michael Scott January 30, 2017 at 3:16 pm - Reply

      Farm animals we kill to eat so if there was no plants no killing of them animals

    • Vera Catti January 30, 2017 at 3:18 pm - Reply

      The opposite, if we didn’t eat animals, they wouldn’t be breeded in so a huge amount and so there wouldn’t be the deforestation to grow the crops to feed them. And there is also the deforestation to host the intensive farmings.

    • Phor S. Aken Whan January 30, 2017 at 3:18 pm - Reply

      Bread, pasta, flour, rice, sugar, sunflowers, canola….are you sure most crops provide food for “farm animals”?

    • Vera Catti January 30, 2017 at 3:21 pm - Reply

      Yes… farm animals like pigs and cows eat a lot more than humans.

  28. Sandra Lee January 30, 2017 at 3:10 pm - Reply

    Then there should be population control which is never discussed. We have taxed the planet into a bleak future. Wait till the methane burbs in the siberian ice shelf – we will boil to death in a month or two. All planets and animals will die except those rich enough to buy bunkers in New Zealand.

    • Mandy Jo Angleberger January 30, 2017 at 9:26 pm - Reply

      It should be discussed. The number one threat to the environment is human population itself. We need a 2 kid minimum. Adopt, don’t breed.

    • Mocha Cierra Coy January 31, 2017 at 1:27 am - Reply

      ^that depends on quality of life expected. Ie, home size, eating habits, minimalistic degree of lifestyle in general. Theres rumors the rothschilds could shelter, feed, and clothe every human on this planet 3 times over. Its a matter of living alongside nature. In our current state, hell no. No one should have more than 4 kids. But, if we all lived all natural, in smarter homes….maybe not such a big problem

  29. Jeff Smith January 30, 2017 at 3:10 pm - Reply

    This is silly. Animals are going to do either way. If a vegan or vegetarian want to eat vegetables fine, maybe they feel like they are not directly responsible for that particular animals death.

    • Chris Cano January 30, 2017 at 3:24 pm - Reply

      Foreal, they just wipe their hands clean like Pontius Pilate.

    • Lisa Jackson January 30, 2017 at 3:32 pm - Reply

      Excuse me, can you please explain how by not eating animals, I only “feel like” I am not directly responsible for a particular animal’s death? When I don’t ever use animal products, I don’t see how you think I’m still somehow responsible for pigs dying? Being vegan, for me, is I doing what I can. Just because I can’t do it all, doesn’t mean I won’t do something. And being vegan is a pretty huge something. Don’t knock it til you’ve tried it.

    • Jeff Smith January 30, 2017 at 3:34 pm - Reply

      Lisa Jackson I was not ‘knocking’ anything. It seems to me that you didn’t read the article or you would understand my comment.

  30. Kim Nguyen January 30, 2017 at 3:11 pm - Reply

    I think the bigger issue here is the way animals and plants are raised. Eating meat is okay if the animals are raised in a humane way. He has a point, destroying the earth to grow plants isn’t right either. Plants also need to be grown in a way that is respectful to the earth.

    • Andreas Fürst January 30, 2017 at 3:30 pm - Reply

      there is no humane way in killing animals or humans i guess

    • Kim Nguyen January 30, 2017 at 4:25 pm - Reply

      It’s a hard subject. I mean animals kill other animals to eat them, but I see where you are coming from.

  31. Drois Conscious Phoenix January 30, 2017 at 3:12 pm - Reply

    another excuses for holocaust…. human race in herbivore get over it!!!! and the killing of bird and wild animals in crops is becos farmers is uneducated and no vegans ….

  32. Ionvs Stoubv January 30, 2017 at 3:13 pm - Reply

    Am I wrong by saying we need more crop etc for feedIng to animals than we would need to feed us plant based? So at all still more dead animals by eating meat, no?

    • Ionut Petrehus January 30, 2017 at 3:40 pm - Reply

      modern agriculture is killing the land and the bees in some countries. Don’t be a hypocrite see both sides of the story. The only way not to kill animals if you’re e vegan is growing your own vegetables and eat only what you are growing, but good luck with implementing this mentality on the entire humanity, when the majority of humans have no respect for their bodies and souls. On top of this humans lack the knowledge and time to do this. So yeah, I’ll repeat myself… don’t be a hypocrite

    • Ionvs Stoubv January 30, 2017 at 4:22 pm - Reply

      I try bro, you’re right.

    • Craig Hollingsworth January 30, 2017 at 4:25 pm - Reply

      No, you’re not wrong.

    • Haileigh Garoutte January 30, 2017 at 4:30 pm - Reply

      That is right. An omni doet requires far more vegetables and water and power than simply eating the vegetables themselves.

    • Andy Bickley January 30, 2017 at 6:07 pm - Reply

      You are right Ionvs, but you will never convince those who don’t want to hear it. Like with cigarettes companies the meat industry only have to disseminate enough miss information to make people think ‘I don’t know what to believe’ and so people will carry on eating what they most enjoy.

    • Chantelle Blanchett January 31, 2017 at 12:29 pm - Reply

      No, because some of the land cattle lives on isnt able to crow crops due to the soil (so the cattle is given hay bales etc) and then forest is destroyed to make ro for fields that can grow the vegies we need

    • Tannia Meeth February 1, 2017 at 1:33 am - Reply

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  33. Lizzy Harvey January 30, 2017 at 3:14 pm - Reply

    Don’t wear them lol

  34. Jessica Stoppel January 30, 2017 at 3:15 pm - Reply

    I think this so called naturalist should spend a few hours in a factory farm or slaterhouse- better yet watch earthlings… nothing natural or humane about how we abuse, torture and enslave all animals in horrifying conditions. I would rather have all those animals killed then live through a lifetime of abuse and exploitation. It’s about compassion to their lives and conditions, not merely killing animals.

  35. Stuart Harrold January 30, 2017 at 3:15 pm - Reply

    Heres a simpler explanation. Vegetarians should not eat organic vegetables or fruit as organic fertilizer is made from mainly animal products.

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  37. Vladimir Sterpu January 30, 2017 at 3:16 pm - Reply

    Meat is the best 🙂

  38. Susanne Hilyard January 30, 2017 at 3:17 pm - Reply

    Why not just scroll on by for those who don’t like this instead of spewing out so much negativity…seriously

    • Sergei Tok January 30, 2017 at 3:30 pm - Reply

      Well.. It makes me just think. Why is this group posting this bs. Why bs? Livestock feeds on grain. All the point of this article disproved in 1 sentence. And btw, it’s called feedback. 🙂 have a nice day.

    • Liz Oldach January 30, 2017 at 3:38 pm - Reply

      It’s illogical information, that’s why people speak up. If the argument fails, why allow it to be cemented as fact?

      20-26 people could be fed on the same amount of feed that is grown for cattle. There are estimates that 8 billion people could be fed right now, a plant-based diet if the meat industry were to go away. We don’t quite have 8 billion people but the evidence is against this guy.

      Yeah, going to say something in opposition when there is evidence or logic to refute it.

  39. David Taborda Correa January 30, 2017 at 3:18 pm - Reply

    This point of view is kind of shit. The amount of “killed wildlife” against the number of thousands killed animals on Animal slaughterhouses is incredible ridiculous, it doesn’t make sense to compare them. Also vegan and vegetarians are helping with climate change, do the meat eaters do the same?.. i’m not agree with his point of view.. go a keep drinking mate viejoooo !

    • Vanessa Vieira January 30, 2017 at 3:29 pm - Reply

      The amount of animals killed because of large scale crop cultivation machines and poison from those crops is just as high. Insects count in this mix as they are animals.

    • David Taborda Correa January 30, 2017 at 4:11 pm - Reply

      well, in term of numbers, you will never end with insect population as they born in exponencial way.. and if you give me to choose between killing insects or cows for decrease the climate change i rather kill insects that are not in the world main diets.. probably frogs can make a demonstration lol

    • Amanly Load January 30, 2017 at 4:14 pm - Reply

      you also have to take in account of the natural balance that the earth maintains, if something gets out of hand, she corrects it, ie predators or a sissy fit which she will have if we dont stop heading away from god and nature.

      i mean god as the standard morals of the heart in its original natural state and universal consciousness.

      david could not have said it any better. Anythingelse is just splitting hairs.

      go local, go organic. spread your wealth between yourselves and stop giving it away to hoarders at the top without a true heart.

      Find wealth in other things and read the china study

    • Raymond Pryimak January 30, 2017 at 4:58 pm - Reply

      If people stopped eating meat, what would happen with all the domesticated animals like cows and chickens? They’d go off into the wild, breed and boom in population, cows alone would increase the amount of methane going into the atmosphere by tonnes

    • Cameron Tauri January 30, 2017 at 5:00 pm - Reply

      Elegost Dale most likely they would be culled so there would be more land to grow plants, everyone knows you need to eat a hell of alot more plants to stay full than meat

    • Jordan Gifford January 30, 2017 at 6:30 pm - Reply

      David you’re some kind of stupid. Vegans and vegetarians are helping with climate change? Man gtfoh. You think the machines harvesting all the plant based foods run on air?

    • Patricia Pauline Roe January 30, 2017 at 6:37 pm - Reply

      Unless vegans stop eating grains they are contributing heavily to loss of diversity and the wildlife ecology. If vegans want to be helpful they need to stick with vegetables.

    • Lina Mukovozova January 30, 2017 at 7:38 pm - Reply

      And what exactly is fed to farm animals? Air? The argument against veganism and its effect on environment is invalid if you eat meat or other animal products since you consume not only animal products/meat itself but also all the soya/grains/other crops and food that was required to sustain animal’s life in the first place.

    • Robert Cortes January 30, 2017 at 8:28 pm - Reply

      Lina, the difference between cows and humans is that you can literally let a cow roam in a field with perennial grass without having to use machines, for humans to survive off of just plants, you need to use machines to cultivate the large amount of veggies and fruits for us to live off of. Cows eat prickly pear too wherever it’s abundant.

    • Vanessa Vieira January 30, 2017 at 8:54 pm - Reply

      I don’t think insects is “splitting hairs” at all. If you want to really speak to animal death then ALL life counts. You cannot select what fits your argument best. You have to see the entire picture for what it is. As humans we need to do better in it all. Not eating meat isn’t the end all solution

    • Zoe Norquoy January 30, 2017 at 9:07 pm - Reply

      Vanessa Vieira its a start

    • Lina Mukovozova January 31, 2017 at 12:38 am - Reply

      Robert Cortes What prevents humans from growing their own food if they complain about environmental damage? How much machinery is used to cultivate food for farm animals? Also, got to mention that not many farmers keep cows outside as most dairy cows, for example, spend their time inside being hooked to milking machines – it’s a business, not a sanctuary and people are making money out of it. If you are trying to create a picture of a happy cow roaming a field as shown on TV for gullible people to watch, please do a research on how detrimental meat and dairy industry is not only to animals themselves, but also environment. This is fueled by demand for meat and animal products, it leads to increased breeding and higher demand for food in order to feed these animals, which results in having to produce more food to feed animals than to feed people. Not to mention clean water usage and disposal of toxic animal feces – again, very damaging to environment.

    • David Taborda Correa January 31, 2017 at 2:16 am - Reply

      Jordan Gifford The EPA has also recognized the contribution cow farts are making to Earth’s greenhouse gases, stating earlier that globally, livestock are the “largest source of methane from human-related activities,” and are the third largest source of methane in the U.S. A 1995 study of methane emissions from cattle found that cows typically lose about 6 percent of their ingested energy as methane, partly a result of their slow digestive process. A single cow can produce between 250 and 500 liters, or about 66 to 132 gallons, of methane a day (the average U.S. vehicle gas tank can hold about 16 gallons of gas). no more things to said.. i’m stupid you are ignorant buddy!! if you take this to a big scale i’m still right over your “theory of harvesting machines pollution”.. lol

    • Jordan Gifford January 31, 2017 at 7:09 am - Reply

      David, you’re still pretty stupid. Comparing a 16-gallon car to a 700 gallon or bigger harvesting machine that refuels multiple times a day. That’s 1,000s of gallons for just one. And there are millions of those things. Some so big they don’t release specifications for them. And there aren’t any studies on them cause the World Bank owns all of the agriculture. Screw your study in 1995. It’s all biased cause the World Bank doesn’t want to stop making billions. It’s not a theory. It’s real and happening right now. Science says the meat industry causes 18 percent of the methane globally and the methane created will dissipate within 6-12 years. Meanwhile, the world Bank says it causes 50 percent of the Earth’s methane emissions. Hmmm, should I trust money hungry looking to screw over anyone and everyone or some scientist not bought by big banks or corporations?

    • Tony Wheeldon January 31, 2017 at 11:49 am - Reply

      A lot of crops that are grown as broad-acre monocultures heavily reliant on pesticides and herbicides have effects well beyond the boundaries of the production areas into water tables and catchments. The goal is to have large areas or a singe crop replacing the previous ecosystems and everything in them. Cattle rangeland grazing still supports much broader and extensive populations of other animals and plants. So he has a point. Some studies I have seen claim up to 25 times more animals are killed or lost in cropping. A good example would be in the conversion of forests to palm oil plantations and in the deaths to orangutans directly from clearing and burning for the creation of those plantations and indirectly from the loss of food sources and habitat. So no cause to be smug…

    • Sean Daws January 31, 2017 at 7:14 pm - Reply

      Real vegans don’t consume palm oil.

    • Morten Stenberg January 31, 2017 at 10:52 pm - Reply

      Please don’t kill the plants, they produce oxygen from carbon dioxide…

    • Tony Wheeldon January 31, 2017 at 11:08 pm - Reply

      Sean Daws soya is having much the same impacts in south america. And because more crops of the total agricultural area is being diverted to ethanol production more land gets cleared including more marginal land and also leading to overuse of existing crop land and soil depletion. “Real” vegans are just as responsible as everyone else.

  40. Inge Papp January 30, 2017 at 3:19 pm - Reply

    This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. What does he think livestock animals eat? That’s right: they eat plants. Tons and tons and tons of plants, far more than a vegetarian or a vegan ever could. And those plants have to be grown somewhere.

    • Scott Bell January 30, 2017 at 3:23 pm - Reply

      That’s your argument? Animals eat tons of plants? Not too bright lmao

    • Keira Joan Clark January 30, 2017 at 3:26 pm - Reply

      You’re clearly not to bright because she obviously meant his argument is invalid as people need to grow crops to feed animals, if the growing and harvesting of crops is responsible for killing wildlife, then the meat industry is still contributing to more killing because it takes a lot more crops to feed farm animals than it does to feed humans.

    • Avery Maskell January 30, 2017 at 3:27 pm - Reply

      Yeah. The argument is that far more plants go into feeding food animals than go into a vegetarian/vegan’s diet. Thus, while still inevitably causing some harm, theirs is greatly reduced.

    • Avery Maskell January 30, 2017 at 3:30 pm - Reply

      I think it very obvious that that was the intended logic.

    • Isis Vayuna January 30, 2017 at 3:34 pm - Reply

      Not to mention that you need place where to grow the animals and the food of the animals.

    • Ian Kruger January 30, 2017 at 4:47 pm - Reply

      Scott Bell, You just made a dumbass out of yourself. Seriously…

    • Evelien Temmink January 30, 2017 at 5:05 pm - Reply

      That doesn’t mean he deserves your harsh reactions. Why?

    • Desiree Kruspel January 30, 2017 at 5:45 pm - Reply

      because he was the one insulting her in the first place? (not too bright) while being wrong, just saying.. might even be just another internet troll, that’s how stupid his argument is

    • Anna Ann January 30, 2017 at 5:55 pm - Reply

      Exactly well said

    • Anna Ann January 30, 2017 at 5:55 pm - Reply

      Exactly well said

    • Adelle Murphy January 30, 2017 at 6:11 pm - Reply

      Calling people not too bright and using big words like dumbass… WOW.. you really showed us… youre so intelligent we should immediately agree with you. Regardless if you agree with anyone else. Youre adding nothing of value to the conversation therefore, based on what you alone have presented us about yourself, you are nothing but a keyboard troll!

    • Ryan Pal January 30, 2017 at 6:13 pm - Reply

      They eat grains and whatever they are fed..

    • Patricia Pauline Roe January 30, 2017 at 6:31 pm - Reply

      But that does not negate the argument. It is true. Grain fields and their maintenance contribute directly and indirectly to the killing of animals.

    • Lauren E. McKeracher January 30, 2017 at 6:51 pm - Reply

      Scott Bell scary how you totally missed the point. Like, wow.

    • Lee Gallacher January 30, 2017 at 7:22 pm - Reply

      You sound like you need a steak

    • Peter Gallagher January 30, 2017 at 7:30 pm - Reply

      I think he means that grazing animals like cows for milk and meat do not have the farmers destroying birds that are a pest to horticulturalists growing food crops. This is mainly true although beef growers in some climates have to lot feed animals grains during winter. This is usually the lower grade cereals. Beef farmers tend to destroy fox and rabbits and spread natural manure to enrich the Pasteur. These are environmental pests. He has a strong case for free grazing animals.

    • Paula Davis January 30, 2017 at 10:59 pm - Reply

      GMO corn grows like weeds. Nothing can kill em but they will kill you in the long run. No big deal, you have a recliner & TV. What more could a person need ‍♀️

    • Amber Ferguson January 31, 2017 at 12:00 am - Reply

      Most factory animals are fed a product made from broken down Corn. Not “tons and tons of plants”. Corn is cheapest to feed them, so that’s what they use.

    • James Jurome January 31, 2017 at 12:26 am - Reply

      I only eat grass fed meat. Aka cows that eat wild grass……

    • Chen Gui January 31, 2017 at 1:09 am - Reply


    • Mike Garvin January 31, 2017 at 2:28 am - Reply

      So y’all are telling me that me and my son’s goin out in November and shooting several deer each is wrong?

    • Laird Liam Spence January 31, 2017 at 2:35 am - Reply

      Actually a lot of livestock eat the parts of a harvest which humans cant eat. That or they graze.

    • Amanda Bagnall January 31, 2017 at 2:43 am - Reply

      Free range livestock. Not that crazy of an idea. I haven’t noticed many feed lots in my area for over a decade. Boulder CO is huge for sustainably farmed everything from local farms tho…

    • Ang Romero January 31, 2017 at 4:54 am - Reply

      Just a quick reminder that 80% of the soy crops produced worldwide are destined for cattle feeding. We could easily live just with a portion of the land tended to. That means that most places would be left untouched. I would also like to say that there are small Brazilian tribal communities that plant their greens in the jungle’s soil, they don’t even need to cut down trees for that matter. There is also a huge advantage in seaweed production, since it doesn’t even need soil or desalinated salt in it’s production, and it’s rich in proteins and many minerals, plus it can also be transformed into fuel. It can even be grown within certain toxicity levels.

    • Sandy Peattie January 31, 2017 at 5:12 am - Reply

      Anna Ann you didn’t read it either did you? Most meat is grass fed in wide open pastures.

    • Ila Cooper January 31, 2017 at 6:27 am - Reply

      Those plants replenish on their own and are not affected by humans clearing land for crops. Natural systems worked exceptionally well until humans got to greedy and too many to respect those systems. He is absolutely correct. Most livestock no longer eat plants and grass they are fed on crop waste and other cheap alternatives even skiddles candy because it’s cheaper than corn. Nature and animals lived in symbiosis until man thought he knew better and our populations and greed became more than nature could handle.

    • Brett Rockich January 31, 2017 at 6:52 am - Reply

      The words right out of my brain!!

    • James Norel January 31, 2017 at 7:01 am - Reply

      same goes for the monumental amounts of land needed to grow plant food for humans sunshine

    • Vivien Dunne-Murphy January 31, 2017 at 7:39 am - Reply

      Corn is a plant

    • Russell F. Crawley January 31, 2017 at 7:43 am - Reply

      Grass bitch. Grass

    • Jason De Mesa Montalvo January 31, 2017 at 7:43 am - Reply

      Do vegans eat grass?

    • Abdullah Ahad Chowdhury January 31, 2017 at 8:39 am - Reply

      Then y do u have canine and incisor teeth, break them off u fokin vegan shit

    • Lawrence AF January 31, 2017 at 1:10 pm - Reply

      Fair point… HOWEVER! As the guy says, the moment agriculture came to be the environment already started to change… if you don’t kill the livestock they live longer meaning you have to feed more, free them and they will destroy the ecosystem, the ecosystem with them now is essentially “controlled”, it would be chaotic destruction otherwise, eat them or don’t eat them, the stage we are at in life is death anyway, you’re not better than those who eat meat, they aren’t better than you, we are however consuming our natural diet, you choose not to thinking it’ll make a difference, and many vegans just plainly think arrogantly of themselves, not all, but many

    • Ben Boltwood January 31, 2017 at 1:36 pm - Reply

      Ru seriously that void of understanding,the plants that animals eat are not grown somewhere,they come from nature,what he is saying makes absolutely perfect sense, clearly he got his reasoning from observation as opposed to the simple minded people who get their information from the TV set or a super market tabloid

    • Anagha Samprathi January 31, 2017 at 1:46 pm - Reply

      Couldn’t have put it better myself!

    • Sean Daws January 31, 2017 at 6:56 pm - Reply

      Thos canines tho
      Gotta murder animals because teeth.

    • James Allardise January 31, 2017 at 7:00 pm - Reply

      It’s hilarious when the guy who resorts to personal insults just so happens to be the one with reading difficulties ;

      Enter the prize dumb ass , Scott Bell ! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • Molly Schmoo Chase January 31, 2017 at 8:11 pm - Reply

      Ya they’re actually taking up 30% of the worlds land mass with the food we grow for them! So if you want to depend less on industrial agriculture and reduce your impact you will eat closer to the source, just plants

    • Kev Whu Byrne January 31, 2017 at 8:59 pm - Reply

      Pmsl mass production of meat cows etc dont get to eat in fields lol most are fed on man made products to make them fat lol another deluded veggy

    • Lawrence AF January 31, 2017 at 10:21 pm - Reply

      Sean Daws you saying that to kill for food makes you a murderer or you being sarcastic because of the image? If your being legitimate then many primates, many mammals, reptiles, birds and fish are “murderers”, there are vegan sites that will falsely tell you chimpanzees eat very little meat if any at all because their biologically herbivores… in fact many of our physiological traits do suggest herbivorous dietary needs, unfortunately for vegans and their lying websites we do have a number of physiological traits that allow us to digest meat, where pure herbivores cannot do so at all… that indicates an omnivorous diet, it’s not just about teeth, only thing that needs to be changed about the meat industry is the treatment and methods, just as the indigenous people of all lands were respectful of animals including their own pray

    • Harwill Diemling February 1, 2017 at 8:19 am - Reply

      Ryan Pal Skittles candy too. Along with faeces.

    • Harwill Diemling February 1, 2017 at 8:21 am - Reply

      Ben Boltwood please explain how GMO grain comes from nature?

    • Harwill Diemling February 1, 2017 at 8:25 am - Reply

      Lawrence Adam-Fiorillo If you are a natural omnivore then you should be able to eat meat in its raw state like the animals you quoted. You can with vegetables.

  41. Christopher Tyson January 30, 2017 at 3:19 pm - Reply

    This debate is so old and annoying

  42. Martin Looij January 30, 2017 at 3:22 pm - Reply

    Sounds fair enough 🙂

  43. Jannie de Lange January 30, 2017 at 3:22 pm - Reply

    Only people who live the lifestyle of vegetarianism linked with spirituality will untimately know the truth not people who claim to know yet rejoice in ignorance

    • Isis Vayuna January 30, 2017 at 3:36 pm - Reply

      Yes! Wise words

    • Samantha Felthaus January 30, 2017 at 4:01 pm - Reply

      *veganism ☺ x

    • Zachary Frye January 30, 2017 at 4:03 pm - Reply

      Vegans have no spirituality that’s just the lack of nutrients making them delusional

    • Vicky Carr January 30, 2017 at 11:52 pm - Reply

      It’s not very spiritual to kill and then eat the flesh of your victim. Name a nutrient…vitamin…mineral that is only found in meat?

    • Jason De Mesa Montalvo January 31, 2017 at 7:55 am - Reply

      Connecting plant murder with it really wise? Remember,we are born omnivore.. Name a vegan saint..there are none.. Even Jesus eat fish..

  44. Eric Cavatore January 30, 2017 at 3:23 pm - Reply

    Yes, of course, some farmers do kill animals to protect their crops. But they have a choice, they don’t have to kill every time nor all animals. There are also new developing ways to grow produce in controlled environment limiting wild animals contact.
    Eating meat does require direct killing of the animal you eat, and it also requires to feed those meat-animals, with crops that are intensively grown and whose farmers do kill animals to protect their crop. Those farmers generally don’t go through the expense or trouble of finding alternative ways to grow their crops either.

    So while, unless you stop eating anything altogether may prevent the killing of animal the most, not eating meat and not wearing animal skins does significantly reduce the killing of animals, especially in horrific conditions, more that doing nothing.
    On top of that, eating meat is not healthy and also kills people.

  45. Joe Baxter January 30, 2017 at 3:23 pm - Reply

    Plants are living organisms too

    • Jonathan Oakes January 30, 2017 at 4:49 pm - Reply

      The smell of fresh cut grass is actually a chemical released by the plants due to stress! Basically they are screaming in smell!

    • Joe Baxter January 30, 2017 at 6:06 pm - Reply

      Trees communicate with each other too

    • Jonathan Oakes January 30, 2017 at 6:43 pm - Reply

      They communicate with everything! Those scents are the language they use to talk to each other, animals,and insects.

  46. Isis Vayuna January 30, 2017 at 3:23 pm - Reply

    If you use logic you can see he is quite wrong. But it is true that a lot of vegan people are not so friendly with the environment as they like to think.

  47. Martín Leonardo Plada Polonioli January 30, 2017 at 3:24 pm - Reply

    The idea of the article is: “if someone must die, why don’t we kill everyone?”. A stupid falacy. And the article is old.

  48. Sundy Georgiou January 30, 2017 at 3:25 pm - Reply

    BULLSHIT! Farmers are working in land anyway to feed the animals they are going to eventually be killed in the slaughter houses for you to eat. 40% of the worlds harvest goes to animal feedings, which this translates to 30% of earth’s land mass. Not to mentions the numbers on water consumption and air pollution animal farms produce. And to conclude this a vegan diet is 15 times less harmful to our mother earth than a meat eater. DON’T be fooled by these paid commercials for meat industry trying to convince you to keep eating animals.

  49. Frida Hilja January 30, 2017 at 3:25 pm - Reply

    And where does the animals get their food from? Come on!!

  50. Jose Antonio Zamora January 30, 2017 at 3:26 pm - Reply

    Makes sense. Nice article

  51. Andreas Fürst January 30, 2017 at 3:27 pm - Reply

    what does he think are animals eating ? i think there are so many rainforest gone just to provide food for the animals which need a lot miore than humans..
    and of course he s from argentina…;-)

    • Pablo Fernandez January 30, 2017 at 4:02 pm - Reply

      They destroy more forests and jungles for agriculture and plant based food than animmal feeding. Im with all of you with nature protection. but the problem is not what we eat, the problem is our lost memory of our relationship with nature.

    • Patricia Pauline Roe January 30, 2017 at 6:42 pm - Reply

      Livestock and humans should not be eating grains in the first place.

    • Mandy Jo Angleberger January 30, 2017 at 9:20 pm - Reply

      Livestock should only be eating grass. Free range. And you grow one patch of grass to the side and let it die (hay) for them to eat through winter. No crops, just grass.

    • Pablo Fernandez January 30, 2017 at 11:54 pm - Reply

      Barry Karyab i did not discard that animals also affect the loss of forests, i only said what i said. READ.

  52. Cameron Smith January 30, 2017 at 3:28 pm - Reply

    I’m a vegetarian (Working my way to vegan eventually)by the fact it makes my body feel better and more energized. The way the article describes how we’re killing animals is a process of mass production. Yes no matter what we do animals will die. And plants are living consciousness entities too. Anyone who doesn’t think so is deluding themselves (they have memories and communicate proven by science). But vegans cause is to cause as little suffering as possible. In slaughterhouses animals are tortured as well as in dairy farms. I had to protest pizza for months because the companies were allowing their workers to stab cows for the fun of it. I’ve been stabbed before it doesn’t feel nice. Mostly reading that article my first thought was they are doing it wrong. That is a wrong way to make food. Personalized gardens to produce your own food. If have to hunt do it minimally and make sure the animal does not suffer. The old ways were best. No pesticide, No poisons, share the food. As for populace control I agree there are too many of us. In basic ecology they teach every species has a natural predator that keeps them from
    Over populating where is our predator ? If we do not have one why? If we do not have one it is up to us to control our population level by birthing restrictions. More so now that we have technology on the horizon that could make us live for a thousand years.

    • Sandy Stackowitz Crandell January 30, 2017 at 3:42 pm - Reply

      Families are statistically smaller than in past years, so population control would have to be extreme. It wouldn’t be able to just include new population, but also the older population. With science alone, people are living longer, people are birthing multiple babies..add in a few more factors and it’s clear that it will not slow down any time soon

    • Cameron Smith January 30, 2017 at 4:01 pm - Reply

      agreed, unfortunately I am not a fan of mass murder. Like said without a predator that option is off the table. So the other option we is to give boot corporations and corporate guides policies and start using better and more easily renewable resources like hemp. Or this tech that 13 year old boy perfected the Tessa coil by making it where it gathers energy from the particles around it in the air.

    • Bernadette Kuhns January 30, 2017 at 7:03 pm - Reply

      Humans do have a predator…diseases of many faces.

    • Cameron Smith January 30, 2017 at 7:06 pm - Reply

      Diseases then are failing their duties. because with enough healthy habits and alkaline diet disease can not survive in a human body.

  53. Adrian Vasquez January 30, 2017 at 3:28 pm - Reply

    Meat is good. So are vegetables. They go great together.

  54. Bobby Howareya Son January 30, 2017 at 3:28 pm - Reply

    who gives afuck be greatful you have food to eat

  55. Kizte Ami Kamelian January 30, 2017 at 3:29 pm - Reply

    spelt iz better for us than wheat.. thats why thair isnt much on the shelves at the local supermarkets

  56. Casey Marcella January 30, 2017 at 3:29 pm - Reply

    Well no sh*t. If we just plain LIVE then we kill animals. We kill everything. But being veg can at least help slow down the process and help eliminate a lot of unnecessary torture and suffering. And because of that love for animals and nature we will innovate and find better ways as we already are doing. ✌

  57. Tyler Bushre January 30, 2017 at 3:30 pm - Reply

    The vegans and vegetarians are having some cognitive dissonance.

  58. Laura Collings January 30, 2017 at 3:31 pm - Reply

    Oh PLEASE!!!!!

  59. Paddy Doran January 30, 2017 at 3:31 pm - Reply

    Rodrigo an interesting point of view

  60. Trina Jars January 30, 2017 at 3:32 pm - Reply

    Being vegan is the best we can do.

  61. Liz Oldach January 30, 2017 at 3:33 pm - Reply

    Humans eat less than 6 pounds of food per day, a cow eats over 110 pounds a day.

    Cut out the “middle man” and get your nutrients from plants, 20- 26 people could be fed on that same “feed” grown for cattle.

    The logic of this Argentinian fails.

    • Wendy Brown Barczak January 30, 2017 at 3:54 pm - Reply

      So Kill the cows???

    • Josh Blomfield January 30, 2017 at 3:56 pm - Reply

      Totally agree. I see the point being made but rainforest isn’t being torn down to grow organic carrots now is it? It’s all this damn grain being fed to livestock.

    • Jose Chavez January 30, 2017 at 4:34 pm - Reply

      ??? What normal cow is eating over 110 lbs of food PER DAY? that’s crazy!

      I seen an article from 2007 claiming this but they also said the food was wet… so naturally it’ll weigh more

    • Liz Oldach January 30, 2017 at 4:37 pm - Reply

      Jose Chavez — that’s per a university extension office on the feeding of cattle.

      Guess those that study how to feed cattle “feed” don’t know what they’re talking about.

      Wendy Brown Barczak — Did I state anything to that degree? No. Don’t understand your comment. Has no value to the conversation.

    • Liz Oldach January 30, 2017 at 4:38 pm - Reply

      Josh Blomfield — and most of that feed is filled with chemicals which get into the ground water and deteriorate the soil for the next crop.

      Yeah, it’s a mess.

    • Dhruv Rana January 30, 2017 at 4:39 pm - Reply

      ma”am u nailed it thank you

    • Calldan Coffman January 30, 2017 at 4:50 pm - Reply

      Because people eat grass and hay

    • Liz Oldach January 30, 2017 at 4:53 pm - Reply

      “Listen: This source claims that to feed just one omnivorous human requires more than three acres of land while all it takes to produce food for a vegan is one-sixth of an acre.”

    • Amanda Murdock January 30, 2017 at 4:54 pm - Reply

      The meat of one cow can provide approximately 85 people one 8 oz serving of beef. Beef contains essential nutrients such as iron and B12. You can find those in certain plants but there isnt as much as in beef. The real problem is people eating TOO MUCH meat. The demand is too high. Many of us need cut back on our meat intake because we have plenty of the nutrients found in meat but not as much as other nutrients found in fruits and vegetables. We are omnivores and humans will always eat meat.

    • Liz Oldach January 30, 2017 at 4:57 pm - Reply

      Amanda Murdock — the only reason the majority of livestock have B-12 is because they are supplemented with it. Google it.

      As for iron, I am at normal iron levels and get enough from my diet of plants. Iron is not required supplementation for anyone except for women who have lowered levels due to their menstruation and hormonal imbalance.

      We get all our nutrients from the foods we eat, B-12 would be in abundance if it weren’t for current farming practices and the fact we drink filtered water. B-12 is a microbe, not an actual “vitamin”.

    • Andreas Kyriakides January 30, 2017 at 6:02 pm - Reply

      But do plants taste better? Not really … even if you do some magic, sprinkle spices, use different ingredients and products in the end even you vegetarian and vegan people try to copy the taste of chicken with soy or some other not so tasty crap that you want the rest of us to eat. Well sorry but I am going to continue my 4 times per week routine meat intake and live healthy and strong by not having to follow diets. I am sorry that there is so much brutality in the way animals are killed for food and would be happy if there was a way to implement a less painful death to them but this is life and we are the predators 🙁

    • Jeff Johnson January 30, 2017 at 6:15 pm - Reply

      Lol they do not eat 110lbs of food a day, hahahah

      I grew up farming steer for beef. They ate maybe half a 50lb bail of hay per week. Id know, i fed them every day, along with our pigs that ate mostly our own fruit and veggie waste from our garden and maybe 50lbs of grain (between 6 pigs) every couple weeks

    • Jeff Johnson January 30, 2017 at 6:17 pm - Reply

      and you sure as hell dont wet it first, ever. Hahahaha

    • Patricia Pauline Roe January 30, 2017 at 6:34 pm - Reply

      Grain fields dominate and they contribute heavily to the loss of diversity. Grains also dominate most people’s diets.

    • Caleb Redell January 30, 2017 at 6:53 pm - Reply

      Cows generally eat 2.2-2.5 percent of their body weight per day. Seen many 4-5000 pound cows around lately?

    • Ryan Holbrook January 30, 2017 at 7:25 pm - Reply

      Grass tastes like shit. Steak tastes like heaven. I’m gonna eat a 72 Oz steak tonight. Yeee haw

    • Dave Hurd January 30, 2017 at 7:45 pm - Reply

      Find me a plant that can be cut into steaks. Until then I’ll be happily chewing on the flesh of cows.

    • Jet Black January 30, 2017 at 7:47 pm - Reply

      Its about 50 lbs of hay and grain. Literally half.

    • Jet Black January 30, 2017 at 7:49 pm - Reply

      Its better to have a well balanced diet. Fruit, veggies, and a little meat.

    • John Avocado Wittler January 30, 2017 at 7:50 pm - Reply

      Just eat taco bell 24/7, works for me

    • Jeroed Delling January 30, 2017 at 10:46 pm - Reply

      By that logic: if we ate more meat, it would take care of the problem quicker.

    • James Jurome January 31, 2017 at 12:28 am - Reply

      Yeah cause gmo corn is super healthy for humans too

    • Hamid Ismail January 31, 2017 at 12:34 am - Reply

      Your logic fails. The number one cause of deforestation is the commercial agriculture industry – specifically those involved with producing soya beans and palm oil. Commerical agriculture contributes to more than 40% of the total global destruction of our forests. You’re sadly mistaken if you believe that removing meat from your diet somehow contributes to improving the well-being of the planet when its the same multi-national corporate entities that practically own the worlds meat as well as vegetable industries.

    • Jade Dorsett January 31, 2017 at 12:36 am - Reply

      Almost all of the world’s soy beans grown annually are fed to the livestock that you eat! YOUR logic failed lol.

    • Suk John January 31, 2017 at 5:59 am - Reply

      Andreas Kyriakides you got it perfect. Because of human rule this earth. That’s it

    • Emmery Neuperger January 31, 2017 at 4:40 am - Reply

      Cows can eat grass

    • Jade Dorsett January 31, 2017 at 7:34 am - Reply

      There’s not enough land on the planet to feed every cow in animal agriculture on grass

    • Jason De Mesa Montalvo January 31, 2017 at 7:44 am - Reply

      So vegans eat grass?

    • Orlean Grubbs January 31, 2017 at 2:14 pm - Reply

      Jeff I was about to say the same damn thing. If a cow ate 110lbs of a day it would die. Thats over feeding it by a ton. I grew up on a farm also. We had maybe 15 cows at one time and they all together went threw one of those big bells of hay in 2-3 weeks. And they ate sweet feed once or twice a month and never ate it all. They like it but not that much. I feed chickens corn and kept their water buckets full and clean same goes for the pigs we had. Leftovers from certain foods and what was considered unedible by us like fruit that fell off of our trees. They didnt eat any where near that 110lbs of food a day shit.

    • Orlean Grubbs January 31, 2017 at 2:15 pm - Reply

      Oh and we had goats. They all grazed for the most part though and they loved “feeding time” the females did because they got to relieve their milk filled bodies.

    • Josh Griffin January 31, 2017 at 3:24 pm - Reply

      Not to mention then butt load of water these factory farmed animals consume.. it’s outrageous.

    • Jose Chavez January 31, 2017 at 4:26 pm - Reply

      I don’t care what anyone says, living off a plant based diet sounds beyond unsatisfying..
      Do research if you want. But nothing will seperate me from a burger with tots.

    • Jose Chavez January 31, 2017 at 4:35 pm - Reply

      hows providing farm animals with water, wasteful? Let’s focus our attention on wine grapes… that right there is a big Waste of water. Look at California… too ignorant to ditch wine even though they’re going through a drought.

      But that’s a different subject and animals don’t need to drink water… give them gatorade, it has electrolytes

    • Thoshikesh Badranna January 31, 2017 at 5:19 pm - Reply

      Maybe herself in the mirror?

    • Shannon Clifford January 31, 2017 at 6:40 pm - Reply

      Not for nothin’ but cows do not eat 110lbs of food a day. Unfortunately, this gives your entire statement zero credibility. Sorry 🙁

    • James Hatton January 31, 2017 at 7:59 pm - Reply

      Lol no thanks you can keep your gmo corn

    • Chereen Druyon January 31, 2017 at 9:04 pm - Reply

      Jose Chavez California is going through a drought largely due to companies like Nestle illegally pumping millions of gallons out and reselling it without paying for it themselves. Vineyards using water are nothing compared to that.

    • David Donachie January 31, 2017 at 11:00 pm - Reply

      Jose Chavez Well done for coming into a reasoned debate with one of the most predictable and boring comments…..

    • David Donachie January 31, 2017 at 11:01 pm - Reply

      Kev Whu Byrne – This “man-made product” is grown in fields everywhere – maize and other grains are the main ingredients…..

    • Tannia Meeth February 1, 2017 at 1:26 am - Reply

      The justification for confining, torturing, mutilating and killing other living, feeling beings debunked in 1 min. Non-vegans: please stop making excuses and go VEGAN. ✌️

    • Tannia Meeth February 1, 2017 at 1:32 am - Reply

      Jose Chavez The justification for confining, torturing, mutilating and killing other living, feeling beings debunked in 1 min. Now please stop making excuses and go VEGAN. ✌️

    • Harwill Diemling February 1, 2017 at 8:30 am - Reply

      Wendy Brown Barczak What do you think happens to cows?

    • Harwill Diemling February 1, 2017 at 8:35 am - Reply

      Jade Dorsett Some people, seriously. He just confirmed what we are saying in his denial. Lol.

    • Jessica Rasmussen April 3, 2017 at 7:43 am - Reply

      “Logic”? I do not think you understand how science work, and how much work behind a study and the scrutiny before it is published.
      Please STUDY before talking.

  62. Morgan Ruhl January 30, 2017 at 3:33 pm - Reply

    Another stupid article to try to stop the increase of vegans and vegetarians. I’m guessing the author was on the meat industry’s pay roll. Many of our crops are used to feed the animals that are largely over breeded and then slaughtered to feed all the meat eaters. It was a nice try but most vegans/vegetarians do their research which is why we choose to not eat meat. Plus, giving up meat is not just for animals. It also benefits to our health and helps the environment!

    • Jimi James January 31, 2017 at 12:47 am - Reply

      Agreed, but giving up meat is not necessarily better for our health. Eating a SMALL amount of quality red meat within a balanced, mostly plant based diet would be healthiest

  63. Mike Edmonds January 30, 2017 at 3:35 pm - Reply

    No matter what the choice is it affects the world. It is childish to not understand that there is always a trade off.

  64. Michael Vieira January 30, 2017 at 3:37 pm - Reply

    150 billions animals (land and marine) are killed every year only in the USA..
    95% of soy production is for animal comsumption.. this is fake news.

    listen to this man

  65. Tyler Norman January 30, 2017 at 3:37 pm - Reply

    Look at Yellowstone park, before they reintroduced wolves into the park, the local herbivores were suffering because they were out consuming their food sources due to extensive overpopulation. There is a reason man screws up so many things… it takes a lot to calculate what every single action influences… and most don’t want to do that.

  66. Andrew Parry January 30, 2017 at 3:38 pm - Reply

    True. Should be fruigavors. Problem solved.

  67. Paula Boss January 30, 2017 at 3:38 pm - Reply

    Too many meat eaters have no clue about what they’re putting in their bodies. But that same argument works for veggers. The goal should be that of wiccans….first, do no harm. All of us sitting on our phones and computers wasting time on Facebook are contributing to air and ground pollution. Unplug!

    • Josh Blomfield January 30, 2017 at 3:59 pm - Reply

      What if we run on solar or have an energy provider that offers a carbon neutral plan. Plus, the meat industry contributes more to greenhouse gasses and climate change than all of transport. And what even is a vegger..

    • Paula Boss January 30, 2017 at 7:13 pm - Reply

      🙂 vegger – vegan, vegetarian – eater of veggies. As far as unplugging, I was being somewhat ironic: I’m on both. However, the people reading this aren’t the ones that need convincing/encouragement about leaving a softer footprint on the earth.

  68. Rajesh Balakrishnan January 30, 2017 at 3:39 pm - Reply

    Two silly arguments to continue mindless killing of animals in the guise of expert knowledge. Both failed miserably . He can still gnaw on his piece of meat if he wants to but people are not stupid . Animals are gran fed so they too require grains. Assuming that forest are being destroyed to grow crops is even sillier . Agricultural lands being wasted and converted into land for construction is the real issue. We can still preserve the Forest and the wildlife. And we can still grow crops and grow more trees in barren areas . Commercial animal farming has to stop . For reasons of global warming , carbon footprints , greenhouse gases , un-economic output and mindless cruelty for a few moments of gluttony . And these animals don’t Produce OXYGEN !!……the most important element to sustain life itself ……the author needs to get a life …..and brains need a bit of oxygen ……the soul knows what is wrong and what is right so living in denial also won’t help ….hope he does some soul searching …,

  69. Ciaran Donnelly January 30, 2017 at 3:41 pm - Reply

    Lorna Donnelly I am making a bigger contribution being a Coeliac than you are being a Vegetarian it seems

  70. Sara Franzese January 30, 2017 at 3:41 pm - Reply

    I’ve read this flimsy argument before; that it continues to be circulated as if it’s a powerful revelation is embarrassing. NO ONE on this planet can say that they have never contributed, at the very least indirectly, to the death of a living being. However, being vegan is a lifestyle that seeks to eliminate harm to animals as much as possible. Claudio doesn’t seem to understand how supply and demand works. If less people are eating animals, that means less animals will even be brought into this world only to be abused and killed. He mentions veggie / grain farming but what he conveniently leaves out, is that most grains being produced are feeding livestock. The amount of land needed for vegetables and grain would be far less if animal consumption was low, and that would mean far less wildlife being killed for being “pests”. Most vegans are hyper aware of other factors that kill insects, birds, and other wildlife and as an example, stay away from foods produced with pesticides; opting for food that is locally grown, organic, non-gmo as much as possible. Paying for and participating in the killing of animals is significantly lower in a vegan lifestyle.

    • Karoline Lessa January 30, 2017 at 4:34 pm - Reply

      Very well said

    • Carmo Andrade January 30, 2017 at 5:24 pm - Reply

      If there were more people eating vegetables only, the amount of land would be less? That doesn’t make sense…

    • Carmo Andrade January 30, 2017 at 5:26 pm - Reply

      Plants are living beings too, in that case.

    • Sara Franzese January 30, 2017 at 5:31 pm - Reply

      Carmo Andrade no, the amount of land needed for farming grains / veggies would be less. there is no way a human consumes as much grain as a cow does on a daily basis.

    • Sara Franzese January 30, 2017 at 5:35 pm - Reply

      Carmo Andrade and i am not sure what your point is about plants… i am guessing it’s the whole “plants feel pain too” argument. if that’s the case, i encourage you to watch a video of someone harvesting grain and then one of a pig being slaughtered. spoiler alert, it’s not the same thing.

    • Maeve McCluskey January 30, 2017 at 5:50 pm - Reply

      Carmo Andrade plants are not living in the same sense as cattle,sheep etc.

    • Patricia Pauline Roe January 30, 2017 at 6:41 pm - Reply

      As long as humans consume grains and feed livestock grains that should otherwise be eating grass and insects then they are part of the problem.

    • Eckard Nieman January 31, 2017 at 8:59 am - Reply

      What’s wrong with farming responsibly and treating the animals well? We probably should be having much less meat, and when we do farm with animals, they should be treated much better. Problem solved.

    • Tim Ridden January 31, 2017 at 9:36 am - Reply

      Eckard Nieman for people opposed to raising livestock for meat, the problem arises in their suffering for example a mother dairy cow feels emotional pain when her calf is torn from her care and dragged off to be slaughtered. A cow raised for meat feels fear when they are put on cattle trucks bound for the slaughterhouse, then the pain of having a captive Bolt pistol kill them or knock them senseless as they are cut apart for consumption. I suppose the question you need to ask yourself is, for a animal that is born purely to die, is that really a life that anything with the capacity to feel both emotional and physical pain deserves?

    • Jay Fitton January 31, 2017 at 12:27 pm - Reply

      Yes ok.. you have a point. Organic production is much better than mono cropping and pesticides, but in order to produce organic vegetables you need animal input such as manure or blood and bone to provide plants with essential nutrients. So if you want to be vegan and not eat anything that has had animals involved in the process, then you can go and eat artificially produced vegetables. This makes this argument moot. Plants need animals and animals need plants. I used to be vegetarian but then I realized that it’s all just energy transfer…

    • Naynah-Simone Greenwood January 31, 2017 at 1:42 pm - Reply

      Pretty sure animals can poo without being harmed

    • Sara Franzese January 31, 2017 at 2:06 pm - Reply

      Jay Fitton that won’t be necessary as there are ways to farm crops without getting animals’ waste /bone / blood involved. They aren’t plentiful, but there are farms who already produce vegetables and grain using plant based methods. There is no reason not to believe that farming can and will keep evolving. There is no way I would cease being vegan just because I don’t have full control over what my food is grown in. Also, I don’t even think using manure to grow crops has to necessarily be part of an unethical industry. For example, I am not sure what places like the farm sanctuaries do with all of it, but it has to go somewhere anyway, and if it gets used to grow crops, which is the most eco-friendly thing to do, I don’t see a battle there worth fighting for animal lovers.

    • Alex Mulley January 31, 2017 at 4:33 pm - Reply

      Most fruits and Vegetables are GMO and so many are disillusioned about this topic. Do some research, there is not much domestic food on this planet that has not been altered. I agree that an overhaul of the agricultural process should happen, but trust me, most farmers/meat processors don’t want to be cruel to animals.Happy animals make farmers a lot more money. Yes, things go wrong sometimes, welcome to life. Coming to you from an ex farmer.

    • Kristin Middleton Alger January 31, 2017 at 5:30 pm - Reply

      Eckard Nieman what’s wrong with not eating someone that doesn’t want to be eaten. You can not kill humanely, it’s impossible. Farming responsibly would mean not farming animals for food, any other way is irresponsible and harmful to our planter and our bodies!

    • Tannia Meeth February 1, 2017 at 1:33 am - Reply

      The justification for confining, torturing, mutilating and killing other living, feeling beings debunked in 1 min. Now please stop making excuses and go VEGAN. ✌️

  71. Tony Davies January 30, 2017 at 3:43 pm - Reply

    He does realise that a third of those crops are grown to feed livestock, right?

  72. Nalyd Wasteland January 30, 2017 at 3:46 pm - Reply

    This is ridiculous! You need much more veggies to feed animals than you need to feed people. If the whole world would be vegeterian we would need far less space for growing vegetables and fruits!

  73. Kayla Pohovich January 30, 2017 at 3:46 pm - Reply

    Corn and wheat are generally unhealthy… those crops are grown in mass amounts by companies like Monsanto and have more harmful effects than killing birds. They kill bees and other pollinators, and put holes in your gut causing major food allergies. I could go on. It shouldn’t be a matter of vegetarian vs. meat eater. It should be healthful vs. harmful food; organically grown/raised (the way nature intented) vs. industrially grown.
    And honestly, it seems like a larger growing percentage of people are understanding that.

  74. Chélee Brown January 30, 2017 at 3:47 pm - Reply

    15000 liters of water to produce 1kg of meat.

  75. Jean-Marc T January 30, 2017 at 3:48 pm - Reply

    Deceptive partial truths. This apologist for the meat industry failed to point out that 50% of the world’s crop production is used to feed livestock, not to mention that this figure is as high as 70% in the US alone.

  76. Edward W Whiting January 30, 2017 at 3:51 pm - Reply

    Eat in moderation. Do not waste. Be respectful of the animal. The body doesnt need that much meat. Too much can lead to a premature illness or death. Its simple.

  77. Christiane Kay January 30, 2017 at 3:53 pm - Reply

    What he says only applies to animals that are raised outside. There’s no “wildlife” in factory farms.
    Plus the very valid point of the way higher amount of plants needed to feed the animals.
    Haven’t read such a bullshit in a while!

  78. Chélee Brown January 30, 2017 at 3:53 pm - Reply

    I suggest this boet goes and watched fork over knives and cowspirasy and see it goes way just the killing of animals. Defrostation happens before space for the animals as well as plant food for animals and humans. Just their is probably some unethical farming practices going on. But the growth rate of animals is just not keeping up with the demand from humans hence why they are pumped with so much shit. Cows are one of the largest methane Gass producers which is destroying the ozone layer. The disease rates of cancer is increasing due to our shitty diets. I’m not say he is completely wrong but his article has kak loads of loop holes in

  79. Minato Hatake January 30, 2017 at 3:53 pm - Reply

    Can Vegans and Meat Eaters coexist and live together say in a marriage? (Just saying because nowadays everyone seems to break into groups and never really unite for anything, and when the call to unite comes everyone starts to argue and question each other). Fuck like I don’t give a shit if you eat plants the rest of your life why should you give a shit if I eat meat that’s what I am saying…. This is the problem with groups they all kind of tend to become fanatical to a point you judge people solely on things you think they are wrong for but they can be the best human being on the planet. If anything life is quite the conundrum

  80. Edward W Whiting January 30, 2017 at 3:55 pm - Reply

    All meat eaters should mandatorily visit slaughterhouses and see the sacrifices these animals unwillingly make. When i see half a steak left on a restaurant plate i really want to slap the person wasting it.

    • Jimi James January 31, 2017 at 12:36 am - Reply

      That’s right. If we didn’t waste so much food, we wouldn’t need nearly as much land for grazing and crop production as we do now. Minimise waste, eat less meat, substitute beef for more sustainable red meat like kangaroo, venison etc…

  81. Vidushi Shrivastava January 30, 2017 at 3:55 pm - Reply

    this is serious and deep topic, I’ve read half of it right now rest I”ll read later and get back to you,for sure.

  82. Zoanne Kabriel January 30, 2017 at 3:55 pm - Reply

    So is the wheat and corn raised where the rain forest was lost for the feeding of livestock for butcher or for human consumption. I think its for the meat. I became a vegetarian because when I looked at the meat I pictured the animal being killed… still hope that by not eating meat the humans will kill less animals.

  83. Josh Blomfield January 30, 2017 at 3:55 pm - Reply

    “fields of wheat there are no birds” Yes.. the fields of wheat being grown to overfeed animals.. for humans to eat! If we ate the wheat or grew healthy veggie crops we’d use less land…

  84. Linda Scott January 30, 2017 at 3:55 pm - Reply

    What a load of bollox this is! I think he wants to justify eating meat again because he has a craving for it, what an idiot.

  85. Le'q Estrada January 30, 2017 at 3:55 pm - Reply

    As the world shifts more and more towards veganism, studies show that the food supply for animals is deminishing. Omnivores believe in equality, they eat meat, fruits and vegetables, without expecting praise.

  86. Nishita Bajaj January 30, 2017 at 3:55 pm - Reply

    I’ll wait

  87. Vidushi Shrivastava January 30, 2017 at 3:56 pm - Reply

    Hari sir i would like to hear your views on this too,if you could please..

  88. Tim Jorgenson January 30, 2017 at 3:57 pm - Reply

    Haha thought this would get a reaction out of you.

  89. André Costa January 30, 2017 at 3:58 pm - Reply

    The crazy shit meat eaters come up with to justify their meat eating… Seriously people, if you want to keep eating meat, then by all means, eat it. Just don’t come up with nonsense “research” to say vegans and vegetarians are hurting more animals than you, when they aren’t.
    There are also a few other important benefits of being a vegetarian besides saving more animals, like better health (if you eat right) and it’s more environmental friendly.
    Please don’t feel bad for eating meat when we present you with facts, just do your research and if it makes sense to you, then reducing your meat intake is already helping a lot.

    • Mustafa Masri January 30, 2017 at 4:54 pm - Reply


    • Jimi James January 31, 2017 at 12:44 am - Reply

      Better health would be to still eat meat, just far less than we do now. Red meat once a week is enough… Some vegos are more unhealthy than meat eaters… All depends on quantity and quality of food

  90. Pablo Fernandez January 30, 2017 at 3:59 pm - Reply

    Also Eating plants its also killing. No discrimination to LIFE. Every natural process is there for a higher reason than the human thought. Arrogance i call it. Capitalism and its abuse to mother nature manifests in destruccion of all nature, not only animals. We dont change nothing not eating meat, we do change the world investing your money in local markets and organic and plant based medicines. Protect mother earth.. Not only animals.. Love to all.

  91. Hazem Warhani January 30, 2017 at 3:59 pm - Reply

    you don’t benefit anything from not eating meat. so whats your point?

  92. Jake Fremo January 30, 2017 at 4:00 pm - Reply

    This way of thinking is very flawed, there is a much more simple solution. Grow your own food! Don’t kill the pest do your best to protect your food source from them. But if a rabbit gets a few leaves hey, thats the cycle of life, let it be!

    • Jimi James January 31, 2017 at 12:32 am - Reply

      If a rabbit gets a few leaves… the rabbit. THAT’S the cycle of life. Plus rabbit is much more sustainable than beef

  93. Kridish Purmah January 30, 2017 at 4:02 pm - Reply

    Partial truth…

  94. Helen Sava January 30, 2017 at 4:04 pm - Reply

    I’ll just have to starve then.

  95. Murray Smith January 30, 2017 at 4:07 pm - Reply

    I hope this is fake for Argentina’s sake. Satire maybe? I dunno – this guy needs better friends.

    • Ryan Lithgow January 30, 2017 at 7:56 pm - Reply

      Nah it’s for real, Claudio makes some good points about the impact on wild animals from farming vegetables, seems most just don’t like what he said because it offends them rather than trying to understand what he is saying.

    • Murray Smith January 31, 2017 at 12:43 am - Reply

      There’s nothing subtle about what he’s saying, it’s quite simple – that’s the problem. He fails to even recognise the giant flaw in his assertion which seems to be common knowledge to most.

    • Ryan Lithgow January 31, 2017 at 2:58 am - Reply

      From what I can gather most of the ‘common knowledge’ seems to be assumption, not sure what his giant flaw is,

    • Murray Smith January 31, 2017 at 3:15 am - Reply

      He ignores the fact that a huge portion of cropland is devoted to animal feed and biofuels – nothing to do with vegetarians – more to do with meat consumption. That makes it pretty big.

  96. Loren Ellis January 30, 2017 at 4:08 pm - Reply

    I hear his point but as in everything a balance must be found. Food statistics show that beef farming in particular has destroyed massive amount of ‘wild land’ so there you are killing both domestic and wild. Not a strong enough argument but I do hear what he is trying to say. Once again more people growning their own food and more use of permaculture farming is the answer.

    • Ryan Apnar January 30, 2017 at 4:27 pm - Reply

      Doesn’t most of our agriculture go to feeding livestock too?

    • Mandy Jo Angleberger January 30, 2017 at 9:24 pm - Reply

      It shouldn’t. Livestock should just be eating grass. If food was grown by family gardens instead of factory farms, a balance between wild and cultivated land could be met.

  97. Pharrtjar Bob January 30, 2017 at 4:08 pm - Reply

    fair enough but we do have modern practices of farming & agriculture which almost nullify even these problems among many others. unfortunately they are still not practised on a wide scale

  98. Hazem Warhani January 30, 2017 at 4:08 pm - Reply

    i actually thought you will say something like you can get the same nutrients from another source but obviously we have a dumb one here

  99. Sonya Watkins January 30, 2017 at 4:09 pm - Reply

    Humans do not have carnivores digestive tract

  100. Les Van Harlingen January 30, 2017 at 4:10 pm - Reply

    bottom line meat eater or sustain life one must kill….either animal or plant..ll food sourse at on time has been living , no matter if you eat beef or just is all living a…we kill an so o animals to live that is the law of nature and nothing can change that…

  101. Vivek Acharya January 30, 2017 at 4:13 pm - Reply

    Hahaha, i think i can post a bs and call myself some sort of naturalist too. The dude seems too much delusional. Because of meat and such products, so much animals are purposefully reared and where from do they feed them? What amount of plant life an animal eats and hence in few kilos of flesh that people eat of them , how much plants go along, whereas a vegetarian would perhaps eat that much plant in a year or two, maybe some amount less or more depending on the animal. And this crazy person should know that non veg people too consume vegetarian foods directly too. And talking about wheat fields and all, well even if i consider it, then it has to be attributed to increase in human population.

  102. Brendan Clark January 30, 2017 at 4:14 pm - Reply

    Animals eat animals . We’re in the animalia kingdom . Lol

    You think a lion gives a fuck when it tears the throat out of a gazelle?

  103. Svenja Kitty Pimps January 30, 2017 at 4:14 pm - Reply

    Hahahha most stupid thing I have EVER heard. Weil if the fields where all the plants are can’t be used by the wild animals, THEN you should know, how the domesticated animals are feeded: with plants!!! And they need a lot of plants! Plus the fields/ground used for the animals to stand on….

  104. Robert Brant January 30, 2017 at 4:15 pm - Reply

    They are starving the poor animals I hunt

  105. Loi Tran January 30, 2017 at 4:16 pm - Reply

    Claudio is probably being paid by the meat industry.

  106. Jose A. Fontanez Rodríguez January 30, 2017 at 4:17 pm - Reply

    This article makes sense if you have no sense. Even though it might be true that by committing to a vegan lifestyle you are also killing animals, the damage is less. Take into account how much land you have to clear for cattle. How much water that cattle needs. The feed the cattle will consume. Them tell me if the damage is proportionate. I am not a vegan, I wish I could have the character vegans have. I am, in baby step, becoming vegetarian. I just hate the cruelty towards animal. I would never impose my beliefs on anyone. But cruelty towards animals says a lot about a society.

  107. Ishaan Dehal January 30, 2017 at 4:18 pm - Reply

    We already know know this fact right? But it’s Still better then eating over bloated cow fed corn for a living. Plus vegetarian diets cleanse your body.

  108. Manish Mehta January 30, 2017 at 4:22 pm - Reply

    Why don’t you directly say.. you can’t resist the taste of meat idiots..
    I personally have been a non vegetarian ones… But fought with my own thoughts just to prevent life of that innocent creature… If you can’t become vegetarian then don’t become but don’t blame such sh.t on us.. we r far mentally stronger than u think.

  109. Raj Padma Iyer January 30, 2017 at 4:23 pm - Reply

    some people clearly r profit motivated …

  110. Fraser Mclean January 30, 2017 at 4:23 pm - Reply

    What was the actual point in this article essentially you kill animals whither you want to or not.

  111. Nicky Wood January 30, 2017 at 4:25 pm - Reply

    Mitchell Wood ….what’s this all about?

  112. John Alcock January 30, 2017 at 4:25 pm - Reply

    We all reap what we sow it’s About balance

  113. Quraab Bey January 30, 2017 at 4:26 pm - Reply

    For every action there is an equal an opposite reaction.

  114. Kevin Poet January 30, 2017 at 4:26 pm - Reply

    This is nothing more than a tit for tat arguement for those who want to consume meat. A vegan doesnt consume a 10th of the amount of animals being slaughtered everyday . No relevations here just rhetoric

  115. Sunil Jadhav January 30, 2017 at 4:32 pm - Reply

    Is he really a naturalist or just cuckoo. What about the millions of tons of feed grown and trillions of litres of water that is wasted to raise factory farmed animals. Not to mention all the greenhouse gases just from their excretion. Somebody please check his real education. This guy is a retarded quack!

  116. Kuu Hullu January 30, 2017 at 4:33 pm - Reply

    This doesn’t take in consideration a fact that those animals that you eat also eats something and if you are vegetarian cultivatoin of those fields is needed far less than to first feed an animal with the same crops and then eat that animal. This is simple, cow needs more food than a human does!

  117. Arijan Bejtulahi January 30, 2017 at 4:34 pm - Reply

    And planting lots of fruit tree would be good for everyone because raw is ideal for every animal and we would be eating so much less,because when you take your time,eat slower and chew,enjoy the food it takes about 15-20 min for the brain to detect that we’re full(maybe I’m wrong)
    Analyze the human body 🙂
    We don’t have big canines for tearing flesh ,claws for grabing pray,a jaw that goes only up and down,high acidity in our stomach for digesting raw flesh,short intestines etc.
    One love 😉

  118. SJ Anderson January 30, 2017 at 4:36 pm - Reply

    This is really reaching lol.

  119. Tatiana Grossmann January 30, 2017 at 4:37 pm - Reply

    He has a slight point, not the greatest point, but a point nonetheless.

  120. Edith Acosta January 30, 2017 at 4:37 pm - Reply

    Consequences. There’s one for EVERYTHING. At this point it’s gotten scary, the system of how we get any of our food has gone corrupt. So now as consumers, we gotta weight in the good, the bad, and the ugly. Choose accordingly, and may the odds be with you!

  121. Crystal White January 30, 2017 at 4:38 pm - Reply

    Small, local, and permaculture ….

  122. Andrew Weber January 30, 2017 at 4:38 pm - Reply

    Lol. Lone Argentinean scientist says entire UN science council is wrong….

    Sounds like you found your self the food equivalent of a scientist who doesn’t believe in global warming…

  123. Joe Booms January 30, 2017 at 4:39 pm - Reply

    What I always like is people won’t wear fur or leather b/c it came from an animal and that’s murder…. BUT they done blink an eye at wearing synthetic clothes that actually harm the enviroment both in production and decomposition. Go green wear fur!!!!!!!

  124. Igor Vrečko January 30, 2017 at 4:40 pm - Reply

    this guy isnt very bright is he?

  125. Arko Mukherjee January 30, 2017 at 4:40 pm - Reply

    Once feel the soul of that creature (fish.. Etc) when u r killing them..

  126. Haileigh Garoutte January 30, 2017 at 4:40 pm - Reply

    I’m glad so many people in the comments are calling this out. It took a lot of research before I made the decision to cut out meat – and one was the environmental impact. Growing livestock requires many many many times more grains/vegetables, water, and power than to simply eat the plants themselves and save the water. It is not efficient and it is worse for the environment (the number one factor in climate change is animal agriculture – yes, moreso than transportation!).

  127. Erik Hromada January 30, 2017 at 4:41 pm - Reply

    or lets all drink soylent, oh wait plants got feelings too

  128. Nick Marino January 30, 2017 at 4:42 pm - Reply

    This is so true, the massive amounts of grain fields in North America has exploded the geese populations, to the point where most places you can harvest 25 per day, and for a month you can shoot as many as possible, with unrestricted magazine capacity, and using electronic calls, and the geese still grow in numbers

    • Derwyn Booker January 31, 2017 at 5:50 am - Reply

      I am doing my best, but they want go back to the hunt area????

  129. Matt Supnick January 30, 2017 at 4:42 pm - Reply

    Yeah, but there’s a difference between requiring a dead body to eat and affecting environmental conditions by growing plants to eat. There is nothing inherently immoral about eating meat, but my point of view (and I think many others’ as well) is that it’s immoral because it requires the captive life and death of a sentient being.

  130. Saksham Rai January 30, 2017 at 4:45 pm - Reply

    But not like livestock maintenance.
    It’s the reason of 85% of deforestation. In turn leading to Global warming.
    Oops the scientist missed it dere .

  131. Danielle Russo January 30, 2017 at 4:47 pm - Reply

    This doesn’t account for all of the fields of grain used to feed livestock. These fields would be greatly reduced if everyone switched to plants only

  132. Yasir Hussain January 30, 2017 at 4:48 pm - Reply


  133. Ambrōsher Hall January 30, 2017 at 4:51 pm - Reply

    This is very flawed information. Im not convinced. If I wrote this paper for school, I would surely get a C. Where are the facts? Im not a vegetarian, but I don’t see his logic really.

  134. Leo N Jessica January 30, 2017 at 4:51 pm - Reply

    The way i see it. Theyre killing the animals. To not eat it once theyve been killed is a waste of animal.

  135. Ramon Arturo Hernandez January 30, 2017 at 4:52 pm - Reply


  136. Hanna Mercy January 30, 2017 at 4:52 pm - Reply

    Yeah plants have feelings too hahahahahaha

  137. Pauline Walsh January 30, 2017 at 4:52 pm - Reply

    Well Aoife Walsh John O’Connor you having big steak when you come home

  138. Franki Prim January 30, 2017 at 4:53 pm - Reply

    It is proven that if man didn’t eat meat your brain wouldn’t have developed to the point it has but after reading most of the comments here a lot of meat was wasted creating meat heads with canines that more than likely are anemic and iron deficient . Animals eat animals is it cruel when a zebra is killed by a lion no it’s nature and when all you vegetarians eat your eating my foods food so stop now before you starve all my food to death you cruel insensitive animals

  139. Shawn Rateau January 30, 2017 at 4:53 pm - Reply

    They left out the part of tearing down of forest to grow crops to feed the animals that are needed to feed the meat eaters.

  140. Kevin Baumgartner January 30, 2017 at 4:54 pm - Reply

    The man is 100% correct. But what do I know? I am just a member of PETA – people eating tasty animals.

  141. Jonathan Gilbert January 30, 2017 at 4:56 pm - Reply

    surely a pissed off carnivorian who wrote that!

  142. Troy Davis January 30, 2017 at 4:56 pm - Reply

    What do you think they feed those cows to get them to that size? According to the article “If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million. Who eats more grain in a day a person or cow?bu

  143. Hari Singh January 30, 2017 at 4:56 pm - Reply

    Its an endless debate.
    Being Non Vegerterian is a matter of taste rather than survival.
    Human Beings have to be violent to survive.
    1. If we grow crops and target wild animals , the wild animals will certainly find out their way.
    But can this killing be compared with the deliberate reproduction and killing of lower animals?
    The lower animals also depend on crops unless we eat Omnivores animals. So now we need to kill wild animals for the growth of crops to feed lower animals just to finally kill them again.
    Isn’t it a very logical killing?
    So first we should find the ways out to reduce violence

  144. Sushil Yadav January 30, 2017 at 4:59 pm - Reply

    Industrial society has killed trillions of animals…….Industrial society has decimated millions of land and marine species…….Animal Holocaust came with industrialization……..Animal Holocaust is happening in this world every minute, every second…….It will continue as long as industrial society exists…….The only way to stop animal holocaust is by eradicating industrial society which has barely existed for hundred years…….There was very little killing of animals in pre-industrial society, so little that it was almost zero compared to the trillions of animals killed by industrial society…….Comparing pre-industrial killing of animals with industrial killing of animals is like comparing the Lamp with the Sun.

    Everyone is killing animals in industrial society………Those who are not killing animals directly for food are killing them indirectly for consumer goods and services……..Industrial activity for production of consumer goods and services has destroyed forests and oceans which has killed billions of wild animals and fish…….Industrial activity for production of electricity, oil, car, computer, television, washing machine, mobile phone and thousands of other consumer goods and services has destroyed billions of acres of forests which has killed billions of wild animals.

    Billions of acres of forests and billions of wild animals that lived in forests have been destroyed by Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Electricity Industry, Oil Industry, Millions of kilometers of Road and Rail Networks, Hundreds of thousands of Ports and Airports.

    Industrial activity for production of consumer goods and services has destroyed oceans which has killed billions of marine creatures.

    Millions of tonnes of industrial chemicals, waste and oil spills have killed billions of fish and marine creatures.

    Industrial activity has made the oceans acidic and warmer…….It has created oxygen deprived dead zones in oceans…….This has killed billions of fish.

    Millions of tonnes of plastic waste has littered the land and oceans……..Millions of animals, coastal birds and fish are dying from either eating plastic or from getting entangled in plastic nets and ropes.

    All this killing was absent in agrarian society……..Every citizen of industrial society is a serial killer of animals, trees, air, water and soil.

    Industrial society has tortured, slaughtered and decimated millions of land and marine species………Industrial society has killed billions of wild animals and marine creatures by destroying forests and oceans with industrial activity for production of consumer goods and services……..Industrial society has killed trillions of farm animals in industrial slaughter houses……….Industrial society has killed trillions of fish with industrial fishing……..Industrial society has tortured millions of animals in zoos, circuses and science laboratories.

    Animals and environment are not saved by activism, organizations, discussion, debate, argument, philosophy or terminology………For millions of years before industrialization they were not saved by any of these…….In the absence of industrial activity they got saved automatically.

    Discussion cannot solve problems…….Millions of pages of debate is a disease of industrial society that invented the print industry, radio, television and internet………Millions of pages of debate is another toxic waste of industrial society which has also produced millions of tonnes of plastic waste, chemical waste, gaseous waste and e-waste.

    Industrial slaughter houses came with industrialization……..Meat and Fish Industry (which exists because of electricity, oil, transportation and refrigeration) came with industrialization……..Industrial society has killed trillions of animals and fish.

    There was very little killing of animals for food or any other reason in pre-industrial society.

    Today you can go to the market and buy unlimited quantity of meat…….This was not possible in pre-industrial society when most of the people lived in villages and there was hardly any meat market.

    The nonsense of eating meat or fish every day or several times a week is a consequence of industrialization.

    In pre-industrial society only those who lived near the river or ocean could eat fish every day……….In industrial society billions of people who are living hundreds and thousands of miles away from rivers and oceans are eating fish every day or many times a week because of Industrial Fishing, Industrial Transportation, Industrial Refrigeration and Industrial Marketing.

    In industrial society millions of tonnes of meat and fish are being sent from one country to another country, from one continent to another continent.

    In pre-industrial society most of the meat eaters could eat meat only on special occasions.

    In pre-industrial society most of the food was vegetarian most of the time.

    In pre-industrial society most of the people were vegetarian most of the time.

    In pre-industrial society very few animals and fish were available for killing and consumption in the absence of industrial farming of animals, industrial slaughter houses, industrial fishing, industrial transportation, industrial refrigeration, and industrial marketing.

    In pre-industrial society bulls and cows were needed for ploughing and tilling the fields…….for milk and manure…….for drawing out water from the wells……Cow dung cakes were used as fuel for cooking …….There was no way farmers would kill them for meat because their very survival depended on them.

    It was the arrival of tractors, electricity, diesel and electric pumps that made animals redundant for farming……..This led to mass slaughtering of cows.

    Most of the people in this world are alive today because of cows and bulls………It was cows and bulls that kept people alive for 10,000 years during the agrarian stage……..It was cows and bulls that sustained agriculture and farming for 10,000 years during the agrarian stage.

    Industrial society is slaughtering the very animal that kept its ancestors alive for 10,000 years in agrarian stage.

    Posting horrific pictures of animal torture in slaughter houses will not stop the meat industry just like posting horrific pictures of war victims will not stop the war industry.

    If I am not fighting the war in Syria and Iraq it doesn’t stop the war in Syria and Iraq……..If I don’t eat meat it doesn’t stop the meat industry…….Individual lifestyle changes cannot save animals or environment…….It is what the society does collectively that matters.

    Largescale hunting and poaching is a consequence of industrialization…….There was hardly any global trade in animal organs in pre-industrial society in the absence of Transportation Industry, Communication Industry and Marketing Industry.

    Torture of cows for milk is also a consequence of industrialization………In pre-industrial society more than 99% of population lived in villages……..Most people had cows……..People consumed milk produced by their own cows……..There was very little selling of milk for money or profit……..There was very little torture of cows for milk.

    In industrial society the urban population is not producing milk……..It is buying milk with money……..This has led to largescale torture of cows………Milk industry is torturing cows……..Milk corporations are torturing cows…….When the cows stop producing milk they are sent to the slaughter houses.

    Animals are not the only ones being killed by industrial society……..Industrial society has killed animals, trees, air, water and soil…….Industrial society has killed all living and non-living things on earth……..Industrial society has killed forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere…….Every citizen of industrial society is a serial killer of animals, trees, air, water and soil.

    Environment has been destroyed by Mining Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Electricity Industry, Oil Industry, Automobile and Rail Industry, Airline and Shipping Industry, Meat and Fishing Industry.

    All industrial activity is interlinked and interdependent………Every industry promotes other industries………All industrial activity has collectively destroyed the planet.

    Hundred years of industrial activity has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.

    Industrialization = Destruction of forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere.
    Industrialization = Torture, slaughter and decimation of millions of species.
    Industrialization = Billions of tonnes of plastic waste and chemical waste.
    Industrialization = Billions of tonnes of gaseous waste and ewaste.
    Industrialization = Killing of billions of acres of fertile soil with cement & concrete.
    Industrialization = Butchering of trillions of animals in slaughter houses.
    Industrialization = Poisoning of planet with nuclear waste for 50,000 years.
    Industrialization = Decimation of fish in the oceans by industrial fishing.
    Industrialization = Acidification and warming of the oceans.
    Industrialization = Oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans.

    Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

    Man lived in forests for hundreds of thousands of years……..Man lived in agrarian society for 10,000 years……..Man has lived in industrial society for just about 100 years during which he has destroyed the entire planet.

    If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
    If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
    That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.

    Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
    Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.
    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

  145. Salvatore Scaglione January 30, 2017 at 4:59 pm - Reply

    Very interesting point of view

  146. Niral Palwe January 30, 2017 at 5:02 pm - Reply

    This is brainless! How on earth do we have to destroy forests for providing vegetables? Makes no sense, on current numbers farmers producing more crops than before its even being stored. There is no shortage of crops, hell Americans throw away 40% of food everyday. So on what basis this guy came out with this shit! I don’t understand, if people becomes vegan then we don’t be needing excess of crops to feed animals and care to grow them. Proud to being vegan

  147. Harlie Hendrickson January 30, 2017 at 5:02 pm - Reply

    Humans just suck. We should all go back to being uncivilized wanderers and exist naturally on the earth instead of cultivating it for mass production. Let go of it all.

  148. Tracy Terry January 30, 2017 at 5:04 pm - Reply

    I don’t eat meat because I can’t stand to think of what it is ! I wish I could get over it, but I always think road kill.

  149. Malinda Beckham Schexnayder January 30, 2017 at 5:04 pm - Reply

    Susan Westlake-Munro what do you think about this argument?

  150. SneHa Dangwal January 30, 2017 at 5:08 pm - Reply

    True that. But due to vegans & vegetarians there must be less of unnecessary animal abuse.

  151. Silviu Negrutiu January 30, 2017 at 5:08 pm - Reply

    He’s got a point

  152. Robert Astleford January 30, 2017 at 5:09 pm - Reply

    What he’s failing to factor in is the land being cleared for grain is to feed cows.

  153. James Crawshaw January 30, 2017 at 5:09 pm - Reply


  154. Sarah Schnuck January 30, 2017 at 5:10 pm - Reply

    vegetarians are monsters.

  155. Jacob Lee Evenich January 30, 2017 at 5:10 pm - Reply

    This guy is right when discussing many modern farming practices. But Ranchers are even worse on wild animals. And farming has only been like this in the last 100 years. And its changing. And its only large Ag. Non organic farms who do this. Vegetarians/Vegans have never supported these farming practices. Actually it is they who have faught to change them.

  156. Bob Cook January 30, 2017 at 5:13 pm - Reply

    Good for thought .

  157. Timo Silva January 30, 2017 at 5:16 pm - Reply

    This is stupid yeah he makes a shitty argument but there is no solution in his statement it’s just about how we are still contributing to the killing of animals vegan or not what’s this guy’s solution then if we can’t eat plants or animals lol

  158. Zachary Ford January 30, 2017 at 5:19 pm - Reply

    Yea that’s my foods food damn it.

  159. Bethany Fontana-Wright January 30, 2017 at 5:25 pm - Reply

    Because vegetarians/vegans are the only ones who eat rice, corn and wheat, right..?

  160. Christopher de Leon January 30, 2017 at 5:28 pm - Reply

    Claudio Bertonatti is a stupid person i can’t believe that a human like him exist, stupidity level to the fullest

  161. Julia Hadjikyriacou January 30, 2017 at 5:28 pm - Reply

    Personally, I don’t want to be responsible the the violent slaughter, suffering and death of animals bred for their flesh. Secondly I do not wish to eat dead bodies & decomposed flesh. I am aware something has to die for me to live but I choose food with lower consciousness than sentient beings with families. There is nothing to eat with no loss of life unless yiu become a breatharian.

  162. Ajay Kumutha January 30, 2017 at 5:29 pm - Reply

    Meat is love.

  163. Ana Fajardo January 30, 2017 at 5:29 pm - Reply

    Halooo vegans or not killings or whatever! We have to follow food chains or not the world will not keep on moving around!! Understand what i mean?!?!

  164. Whitney Lee Bosseler January 30, 2017 at 5:30 pm - Reply

    People get way too offended over dumb shit like this. Its annoying. If you are going to get offended by an article why do you even go on the internet.

  165. Janet Gstattoos January 30, 2017 at 5:31 pm - Reply

    It’s the damn circle of life
    Get over it! We r all gonna die too just enjoy the damn tacos!

  166. Kasun Nawarathna January 30, 2017 at 5:31 pm - Reply

    Ha haaa…joke of the day..soo funny..:P poor bertonatti..this is just a damn personal opinion. While world organizations keep requesting from the people to go vegan to rescue the Planet Earth..this single man saying it doesnt make sense…who care about this fool :P…maybe trying to be popular..ha haa….this man doesnt know that f&cking animal industries killing the Planet Earth. This is the most stupid article ever seen……& also reporters should be more responsible…. today Mind Unleashed added a big black mark on them……
    & also I lost the trust and respect…..dont promote these type of shits….haters gonna hate…Vegans are blessed…
    <3 go vegan <3 save the planet!

  167. He Ed January 30, 2017 at 5:32 pm - Reply

    Vegetarian or not – humans are a virulent plague.

  168. Daniel Bédard January 30, 2017 at 5:32 pm - Reply

    Bullshit !
    Since the last 7 year’s, meat sales fell 16℅, Argentina #1 in sales of beef

  169. Nicolas de Waziers January 30, 2017 at 5:34 pm - Reply

    Yes!!! Save the birds!! But growing more corn for cattle is always worse than growing it for a human since we consume only a fraction of what cattle will in their lifetime.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy is being payed by Argentinian meat lobbyists

    • Jeff Wright January 30, 2017 at 8:14 pm - Reply

      well duh!!! he’s from meat freaking country, Argentina!!!!

    • Mandy Jo Angleberger January 30, 2017 at 9:21 pm - Reply

      Corn is REALLY bad for cows. No crops necessary, just grass.

    • Jade Dorsett January 31, 2017 at 12:38 am - Reply

      Most cows are not grass fed.

    • Nicolas de Waziers January 31, 2017 at 3:10 pm - Reply

      And even if they are grass fed, how do you think the grasing grounds are made?! by curring down trees! 90% of all deforestation in Brazil is for freakin cows

  170. Stephanie Janelle Wagner January 30, 2017 at 5:34 pm - Reply

    I love meat!✊

  171. Paul LoBue January 30, 2017 at 5:36 pm - Reply

    Do any of you vegans own a cat?

  172. Ramses Mayorga Sr. January 30, 2017 at 5:38 pm - Reply

    they both taste good.

  173. Ryan Felix January 30, 2017 at 5:40 pm - Reply

    “This doesn’t fit my veiws, therefore, it is wrong” – V

  174. Alma Kazić January 30, 2017 at 5:43 pm - Reply

    So we are supposed to stop eating, everything and live off oxygen. Wow

  175. Lisa McKinney January 30, 2017 at 5:45 pm - Reply


  176. Przemyslaw Slušný January 30, 2017 at 5:48 pm - Reply

    Why vegetarians are so fucked up? Because they have low level of serotonin precursors in their blood. Thats why there are discontent and unhappy all the time.

  177. Geena Saenz January 30, 2017 at 5:52 pm - Reply


  178. Iris Traarbach January 30, 2017 at 5:53 pm - Reply

    Yeh right.

  179. Angela J Taylor January 30, 2017 at 5:58 pm - Reply

    How ridiculous! Seems that the guy doesn’t realise that the animals humans eat consume massive amounts of farmed crops and that more land is taken because of it! I do wish people would educate themselves fully before publicly spouting such rubbish.

  180. Rodica Rodica January 30, 2017 at 6:01 pm - Reply

    How hilarious!

  181. Patrick Wojciechowski January 30, 2017 at 6:06 pm - Reply

    Interesting, but not exactly accurate. ….

  182. Mandy Williams January 30, 2017 at 6:09 pm - Reply


  183. Rick Watts January 30, 2017 at 6:13 pm - Reply

    I love steak.

  184. Ryan Pal January 30, 2017 at 6:13 pm - Reply

    Both kill animals just different ones…

  185. Samantha Palmer January 30, 2017 at 6:17 pm - Reply

    Hahahah what a crock! The deforestation is done to grow feed for the animals… humans consume waaaaaaY less than livestock ever would!

  186. Amedeo de Masi January 30, 2017 at 6:18 pm - Reply

    Stephanie Pagnillo this might be worth a look.

  187. Dylan Barrett Rutherford January 30, 2017 at 6:20 pm - Reply

    Pretty sure if I don’t eat meat…
    Don’t wear fur or leather,
    And don’t use animal byproducts…..

    Then what someone else does to kill animals isn’t put on me….

    Like seriously….

    I breath oxygen animals need to survive,
    So therefor I kill animals?


    I don’t hunt,
    I rescue injured animals,
    I feed strays,
    And although I’m not vegan…
    And still eat meat once every other month…

    I’m pretty sure I’m going to feel good about myself despite what some fear based shit post says….

    Piss off,

  188. Jacob Cooksey January 30, 2017 at 6:22 pm - Reply

    I don’t care bacon is delicious. You see a pet pig… I see a bacon tree

  189. Margaret Townsend January 30, 2017 at 6:23 pm - Reply

    The majority of grain is fed to the animals that are used and abused by the big corporate meat industry!

  190. Joseph Zdunek January 30, 2017 at 6:25 pm - Reply

    Just eat in moderation that’s the whole case, we eat in such abundance that wildlife and nature are being destroyed.. it doesn’t matter if you’re a vegan vegetarian meat eater.. everything has impact no matter what..

  191. Thao Ngo January 30, 2017 at 6:32 pm - Reply

    Plants have their own type of intelligence and will respond to the world around them. In response to predators attacking them, they will emit signals to attract the right animals or insects to defend them. I think perhaps just eating a variety of different food items, instead of always eating so much of the same thing over and over again. Find out what is sustainable and what isn’t and avoid eating the ones that have a shortage for a while? Just my two cents, lol.

    • Thao Ngo January 31, 2017 at 7:06 am - Reply

      Remember peeps, we need Mother Earth (including all the animals, insects, and plants, etc.) more than she needs us. 😉

  192. Len Swanepoel January 30, 2017 at 6:33 pm - Reply

    And your point is…?

  193. Andreea Oprea January 30, 2017 at 9:37 pm - Reply

    if less animals were eaten by humans, less land would be cultivated cause livestock needs far more cereals, grains,etc; in this case, less land would be needed for cultivation, so no deforestation needed. simple as that! don’t try to brainwash people and make them feel less guilty for meat consumption !!!

    • Jason De Mesa Montalvo January 31, 2017 at 7:59 am - Reply

      The nutrients in soil will deplete. That’s why cow poop is important.. Soil fertility,you think you can gain a crop on a barren land

    • Andreea Oprea January 31, 2017 at 8:19 am - Reply

      Jason De Mesa Montalvo so according to your thinking cows should be raised for the importance of their and then killed for meat… hmmmm?! How come I never thought about that?!
      I never mentioned cows should only exist for meat

  194. James Arthur Wilson January 30, 2017 at 6:42 pm - Reply

    Okay lets just not eat anything at all then for fuck sake and just starve to death

  195. Chetna Rikhari January 30, 2017 at 6:42 pm - Reply

    So what the hell we should do……… Eat meat & die of guilt…….. That my efforts are useless…. Huh….

  196. Rich Berends January 30, 2017 at 6:46 pm - Reply

    This article is very illogical. Live stock uses a lot of land and then add on the land all of the veggies are grown on to feed livestock. Google carbon emissions from meat industry. It’s bad. One expert even goes as far as to say “giving up beef will reduce carbon foot print more than cars.” There are so many other reasons this is completely wrong.

  197. Sana Zeitoun Fadel January 30, 2017 at 6:47 pm - Reply

    What about animals who are tortured in the process that provide your meat and leather?
    Don’t they deserve mercy??

  198. Stephano Green January 30, 2017 at 6:49 pm - Reply

    This guy needs to broaden his perspective

  199. Jennifer O'Connor January 30, 2017 at 6:50 pm - Reply

    This really makes no sense. It’s not that vegans think they don’t participate in killing – we all do by existing in our modern life. Just like we all destroy insects. You’re just trying to reduce the middle man, by being vegan. Animals, namely cattle, eat way more than even triple the food we do made from crops. Cut out the eating of the actual animal, and am extra 26 people could be fed from that grain and then if we stopped breeding them, they’re numbers would reduce. The Argentinian man makes no sense to me.

  200. Mariqn Todorov January 30, 2017 at 6:53 pm - Reply

    Vegans always have to say they are vegans keep it to yourself ! If you are a vegan I’m not interested and no one else is! Just to let u know

  201. Bernadette Kuhns January 30, 2017 at 6:57 pm - Reply

    As a person with an enemy called INTRACTABLE PAIN. ..meat carries the highest concentration of the element SELENIUM. Which reduces pain. In fact if you have pain you are depleted of this element. It comes from the earth and it is in most everything we eat at different percentages …to get enough of it from other foods one would need to consume so much extra weight would result. 🙂

  202. Caroline Maners January 30, 2017 at 6:58 pm - Reply

    You do realize the leading cause of climate change is actually animal agriculture?! I feel this person is just trying to justify eating corpses

  203. Zoe Douglas January 30, 2017 at 7:00 pm - Reply

    There will be no loss of forests if we used animal farming land for vegetable farming, less land is required. There are such things as nets too, like orchards use. I think this article is very one sided and not from a holistic view but a very personal view of just what they’ve seen not researched

  204. Danielle Mukash January 30, 2017 at 7:00 pm - Reply

    Their is no easy solutions to this dilemma. Everything is alive, from lettuce to cows to oranges to wheat. The difference is in the way you honor and respect you source of food.

  205. Brittany Erickson January 30, 2017 at 7:00 pm - Reply

    Stefany interesting viewpoint

  206. Praveen Aggarwal January 30, 2017 at 7:01 pm - Reply

    We have enough to feed the world but not for greed.

  207. Wyktor Paul January 30, 2017 at 7:02 pm - Reply

    Vegetarian is an old Indian word meaning fuckin’ terrible hunter

  208. Cristian Rival January 30, 2017 at 7:05 pm - Reply

    Totally true!!!

  209. Emily Bartlett January 30, 2017 at 7:08 pm - Reply

    Yes- except over half of corn crops is used for the use of ethanol and animal feed lol

  210. Luke Siekris January 30, 2017 at 7:14 pm - Reply

    Amanda Abergel food for thought

    • Amanda Abergel January 30, 2017 at 9:10 pm - Reply

      Thanks! yes! its important to be aware of animal products too. I still have leather stuff either but haven’t purchased any new. Also a lot of products & foods contribute to animal cruelty including “fake” leather and stuff like that. I try to be as aware as possible and research companies I buy from now. I am not completely vegan yet but I do fully support it and is my aim 🙂 My main this is just that we need to be aware of where our money goes and the products/ companies we are supporting. I’m not perfect 🙂 I just don’t want to participate / contribute to these industries anymore if I can avoid it I will. My car still has leather seats too. bought it before the no meat thing. It’s been a process 🙂 thanks for your support !

    • Amanda Abergel January 30, 2017 at 9:11 pm - Reply

      Also Luke Siekris I love articles like this! perspective. But I’m more focused on factory farming of animals, and its processes in the MASSES. trust me lol it makes a big difference – buying power 🙂 consumer power !

  211. Adam Biggs January 30, 2017 at 7:21 pm - Reply

    Apparently you can say anything you like, follow it up with a bunch of nonsense, and not expect to be called out for shitty journalism? Dumbest thing ever. It takes at least 7 times the grain to to get an equal quantity of meat.

  212. Shelby Lynn January 30, 2017 at 7:24 pm - Reply

    Becca Spence guess we just have to stop eating PERIOD dammit

  213. Denise Ives January 30, 2017 at 7:25 pm - Reply


  214. Cedric van Bommel January 30, 2017 at 7:38 pm - Reply

    Omg this is so stupid it hurts

  215. Simon Currin January 30, 2017 at 7:40 pm - Reply

    Did you read the full article Kyle Webb?

  216. Lucy Calafato January 30, 2017 at 7:43 pm - Reply

    Possibly the most retarded thing I’ve ever read

  217. Lina Mukovozova January 30, 2017 at 7:47 pm - Reply

    “We are forcing nature to make room for crops” – YES, crops to use to feed slaughterhouse animals. If everyone was growing as much food for human consumption as mentioned in the article there would be significant reduction in starvation.

  218. Richard Barber January 30, 2017 at 7:47 pm - Reply

    As an ex farmer I can see his point. Modern mono cropping creates fields like dysfunctional deserts, no other life than the ones we want. As I can see from some of the comments there are some people who don’t run on fact or reason, just emotion.

  219. Payton Webb January 30, 2017 at 7:48 pm - Reply

    Wow. For people that only eat salad.. you guys are salty..

  220. Dean Shaun Marsh January 30, 2017 at 7:52 pm - Reply

    I whole heartedly agree with the logic and theory but it avoids the major issue in eating animals – the ethical treatment of animals. I personally eat no vegetables and have a largely meat based diet. I have no issue with eating an animal, it’s life and death, it’s the circle of life goddamn it, but there is absolutely no reason that animal should suffer!! Some of its horrific!! Whether you eat meat or vegetables is not the issue if your going to rear animals for slaughter you don’t have to make them suffer? And why do they? Money!!! Well put the price of meat up n look after your livestock! Simple!

  221. Darren James Hall January 30, 2017 at 7:55 pm - Reply

    If nobody ate meat, more land would be given over to growing crops, farmers would see no need to raise animals so would not give them grazing room, very few would survive

  222. Curtis Priddy January 30, 2017 at 10:59 pm - Reply

    Lolololol Argentina? Corrupt country and one of the biggest benefactors of the castle industry.

  223. Rachel Iwanski January 30, 2017 at 8:03 pm - Reply

    I’ve read this before. I totally understand the point he’s making but also it doesn’t change the fact that I would rather not eat dead animals lol

  224. Tracy Channer January 30, 2017 at 8:06 pm - Reply

    Don’t eat wheat and corn products….eat fresh organic produce as local as possible

  225. Ariel Hulsey January 30, 2017 at 8:07 pm - Reply

    That argument is not logical because farmed animals consume much more plants and grains then humans. If everyone were vegan there would be much less need for fields to take rainforest because all the vegetables and grains would go directly to feeding people. Not to mention the water that livestock consume on factory farms. To say nothing of the suffering factory farmed animals endure. I am confident my choice to go vegan is the right one for the environment, animals, humans, and my health and conscience.

  226. David Vella January 30, 2017 at 8:08 pm - Reply

    Thats y i choose voleterley not to eat animals 🙂

  227. Daisy Allsorts January 30, 2017 at 8:12 pm - Reply

    Whether we are meat eater or vegetarian we are all influencing number of animal wildlife and environment being destroyed directly or indirectly. I do not see point in arguing who contributing less or more to the issue.

  228. Hannah Waterfall January 30, 2017 at 8:12 pm - Reply

    Don’t post things about how to make the world more peaceful, then post pro-meat eating shit…There is nothing peaceful about the unnecessary death of 60 billion innocent beings every year. At least vegans are trying their best to make the world more peaceful.

  229. Ku Sum January 30, 2017 at 8:13 pm - Reply

    This is the dumbest thing ever. Tag kiya b to kaise

  230. Ben Dorsey January 30, 2017 at 8:13 pm - Reply

    This is a silly, irrational argument meant to make those who eat me feel a little less guilty about it. There is no research presented and no claims in his statement that couldn’t be easily dismantled with just a smidgen of research. Why share a post like this with no real content? Pointless, useless, and pathetic “share”.

  231. Katherine Smith January 30, 2017 at 8:15 pm - Reply

    We’ll sort of what I said but he did it in a far more journalistically well written manner

  232. Dave Bowden January 30, 2017 at 8:15 pm - Reply

    70 million cows being slaughtered every year and their blood being drained into the earth….is better than lettuce?

  233. Shelley Spann Glenney January 30, 2017 at 8:26 pm - Reply

    OMG now we can’t eat vegetable now!!!!

  234. Amanda Jane January 30, 2017 at 8:27 pm - Reply

    I’m vegetarian. (Not vegan) I see the point this dude is trying to make… however his logic is flawed in many ways. Also, Regardless of what you’re eating you’re causing harm or death to some sort of life form. Plants and fungus may not communicate on the same… let’s say, wavelength as humans but that doesn’t mean they don’t have “feelings” or “senses” we just lack the proper organs or cells to understand their communications.
    We connect with seeing cows and pigs and foxes crying and screaming and bleeding because we do the same… and it is absolutely heart wrenching for me, personally to see that kind of suffering and know that it exists. So I choose not to eat meat. I am aware that I cannot stop it entirely and that the life cycle exists and works (in the natural world at least).
    It’s obvious that no one can prevent ALL suffering. I mean… how would the wild and domestic predators eat?! It makes no sense to think in those terms.
    However, I do believe we as humans, sentient omnivores and also apex predators, have a choice. With that choice comes responsibility. To the rest of our planet, to all life and to ourselves. We need to maintain a balance.
    Moderation is key and at the point we’re at as a species, we truly need to tip the scales in the opposite direction. Heavily. Human greed is causing massive destruction and an imbalance. Eventually something will “cull the herd” so to speak… We tend to think we’re above everything. We’re not. Remember Ebola? It evolved for a reason. J/S.

  235. Jeremy Thomas January 30, 2017 at 8:30 pm - Reply

    Richie Thomas look at all those animals you are killing by not eating meat. Go back and eat a steak to save a bird.

    • Richie Thomas January 30, 2017 at 8:58 pm - Reply

      What a stupid argument. Yeah of course animals will die when growing crops but 80% of all the world’s crops are fed to farmed animals. So if you don’t support that you’re killing a far less number.

  236. Christina Nasic January 30, 2017 at 8:35 pm - Reply

    This is ridiculous. Ofcourse uneducated misinformed and mentally challenged greedy carnivorous would jump on this one! Pffft . people who are this set in their ways unable to see beyond the actual truth and facts are just too much for me. Connie Fuentealba

    • Connie Fuentealba January 30, 2017 at 8:48 pm - Reply

      This is the most stupid thing I’ve
      ever read. The plantation of those corps of corn and all that is basically to feed the live stock of the meat industry which yes its destroying the environment. If we all humans have a plant base diet we wouldn’t even need to eat half of the plantations that they use to feed the animal. This post is so misinformation and a lot of people will fall for this.

    • Christina Nasic January 30, 2017 at 8:50 pm - Reply

      I know thats what pisses me off. But honestly the only people who would are the ones who can’t stand to admit they are destroying the planet and killing sentient beings. Blah sickness!

    • Connie Fuentealba January 30, 2017 at 9:00 pm - Reply


  237. Chris Luke January 30, 2017 at 8:44 pm - Reply

    Ian Anderson hahaha vegan would say do your research

  238. Callie Summerlin January 30, 2017 at 8:45 pm - Reply

    This is a little out there and extreme.

  239. Allyson Gowen January 30, 2017 at 8:46 pm - Reply

    nevet thought about it like that!!
    Rhonda Dankel Gowen

  240. Jared Warton January 30, 2017 at 8:47 pm - Reply

    Cue angry vegan armies. Veganism is a cult…

  241. Hannah Batt January 30, 2017 at 8:48 pm - Reply

    The nets they use in orchards do keep most animals out but large numbers of birds, rabbits etc get in. A large part of orchard work is killing birds and rabbits etc. Specifically pushing baby birds and nests out of trees and hanging up mist nets that ensnare birds and leave them to die. The main focus is the quality of the fruit above all else. Not disagreeing with the argument, just pointing out that orchards are very much the types of agriculture he is talking about.

  242. Paweł Ługowski January 30, 2017 at 8:52 pm - Reply

    as a lot of ppl pointed out there – and I am suprised it was not mentioned in article – animals eat plants too! if you eat animals there is still need for cultivated plants they will eat, so if all had been eating meat only we would have even more areas for growing plants to feed animals.

  243. Rich Rowland January 30, 2017 at 8:55 pm - Reply

    cattle production is way down as people eat less and less red meat

  244. Pater Noiser January 30, 2017 at 8:59 pm - Reply

    time to eat argentinian naturalists

  245. Thomas Blas January 30, 2017 at 9:03 pm - Reply

    Exactly, not everyone is delusional, just trying to help as much as possible

  246. Gerard Dougherty January 30, 2017 at 9:11 pm - Reply

    There needs to be a major change globaly around farming in needs to be used more efficiently. In your example of rabbits tbh they are an invasive species and effort must be spent to remove them from our country…. perhaps one day along side free range there will be a “low impact source” sticker showing tat the agricultural ethod used was as ecological as possible

  247. Myriam Ephrem January 30, 2017 at 9:16 pm - Reply

    Wow I never thought about this. Thank you for sharing. I’ll read more about the matter though since it’s called for. More evidence and proof.

    Nevertheless, I personally don’t believe the killing of animals will diminish if I don’t eat them, same with plant cultivated fields. So I already gave up on the fact that humans including myself will stop harming animals, whether domestic or wildlife animals, though I still don’t want to eat them – the reasons got more personal and psychological here (will tell you why later).

  248. Zoe Douglas January 30, 2017 at 9:18 pm - Reply

    i never knew that! That is really interesting

  249. Daniel T. McCaffery January 30, 2017 at 9:18 pm - Reply

    You just cannot win.

  250. Karla Thompson January 30, 2017 at 9:18 pm - Reply

    The average domestic animal eats much much more plant material than the average human. If all domestic animals bred for consumption were suddenly gone, I don’t know how much more or less farm land would be needed to fill the equivalent consumption needs of the meat that was being eaten. So, it is hard to judge how accurate this statement is.
    Vegans are aware eating plants kills animals as well. Do we like it? No, but we do have to eat something.
    The problem is overpopulation of humans. Less humans taxing the resources of the planet means less land needed to feed them all.
    Also, farmers should be willing to share part of their yield with the animals who visit their fields, but that is radical talk and would be laughed at.
    Thank you for sharing this.

  251. Billy Sayer January 30, 2017 at 9:19 pm - Reply

    I think Bertonatti is getting confused with the general impact global population growth has.

  252. Julie Collins January 30, 2017 at 9:26 pm - Reply

    And look at the comments
    Everyone arguing

    We ever come together?
    Even faced with trump
    All we can do is vent our spleen on social networks.
    God what a sad pathetic existence we have now.
    Well done Zuckerberg
    You prick

  253. Rhonda Dankel Gowen January 30, 2017 at 9:30 pm - Reply

    My issue is the suffering the animals endure. The way they’re raised and treated on the farms. I understand everything is connected.

  254. Joan Williams January 30, 2017 at 9:32 pm - Reply

    Circle of Life – Some1 watched Lion King!

  255. Wendy Margaret Trent January 30, 2017 at 9:37 pm - Reply

    What a pathetic, poorly reasoned article. This Argentinian has the reasoning ability of a village idiot. Being vegan is an attempt to minimise the suffering of sentient beings and a refusal to participate in the obscenity of breeding and killing 70 billion land animals per year globally (this staggering figure does not even take into account the billions of fish and other marine animals who are slaughtered each year for the palate pleasure of humans). Veganism is the choice to live mindfully and consciously, and to live in a way that recognises the sacredness of all life. Yes, we eat plants, because we have to eat. But there is no greater consumer of planted crops and the planet’s water resources than animal agriculture. Plant foods that could feed the starving people of the world are used to raise defenceless, vulnerable, sentient beings to be killed for the palate pleasure of privileged, entitled first world countries. The Amazon Forest is being destroyed at a rate of more than 5 rugby fields per day to make grazing land for ANIMAL AGRICULTURE!!! And it takes 2000 gallons of water to produce 1 pound of meat. Man’s addiction to flesh eating not only destroys 70 billion innocent lives per year, it destroys our ancient forests, our oceans and our planet.

  256. Francesco Cachia Caruana January 30, 2017 at 9:38 pm - Reply

    Do you know vegetations are just as bad as meat eater for one plants have been proven to they feel pain can be effected by anaesthetic and they effect by people emotions. In short vegetations would rather kill an creature with no face cause it’s easier.

  257. Alex Hebl January 31, 2017 at 12:41 am - Reply

    Did you read this?

  258. Josh Foster January 30, 2017 at 9:42 pm - Reply

    Leo Dillon you read the article right? His claim is that the land that we use for agricultural purposes is leading to deforestation and in turn the killing of those wild animals, you do know that roughly 66% of that land is used solely for growing feed for domesticated livestock and comparatively humans use about 8% of agricultural land for direct consumption. Also just because, the interviewer is the director of an exotic leather and luxurious goods company, there’s your bias. This is what’s called misinformation being used to cause confusion. Do me a favour and grab that cactus again, you know what to do.

    • Leo Dillon January 30, 2017 at 10:09 pm - Reply

      If you knew me at all you’d know I could actually care less about any of this shit……eat meat, don’t eat meat, doesn’t affect me either way.

    • Leo Dillon January 30, 2017 at 10:12 pm - Reply

      For the record, I LOVE steak and exotic leather goods…..

    • Josh Foster January 30, 2017 at 10:17 pm - Reply

      Oh I figured, you’re a smart guy, I got partway through writing that and was like, perfect way to reintroduce the cactus. For the record, everyone knows about your leather fetish and exotic dildo collection.

    • Leo Dillon January 30, 2017 at 10:18 pm - Reply

      is nothing sacred!?!?!

  259. Anthony Sheffield January 31, 2017 at 12:43 am - Reply

    Eat what you want and shut up. Unless you grow your own food and raise your own livestock you really can’t say shit that matters to each other.

  260. Eline Tan January 30, 2017 at 9:43 pm - Reply

    This is scary, triggered vegans are on rampage.

  261. Alex Hebl January 31, 2017 at 12:44 am - Reply

    I think the logic is flawed personally .

  262. Desiree Tabbers January 30, 2017 at 9:45 pm - Reply

    But I don’t eat wheat, so how am I killing of wildlife ?

  263. Christian Guthrie January 30, 2017 at 9:45 pm - Reply

    What if plants feel pain?

  264. Alex Hebl January 31, 2017 at 12:53 am - Reply

    Matt Tholen yes also vegans eat like 1/10 of what animals like cows eat

  265. Tiago Marques January 30, 2017 at 10:00 pm - Reply

    Not many valid points in the article. I love animals but first of all I use common sense when it comes to what I shove down my body: meats and animal related food takes for us humans to process way longer than vegetables, Its not that we are pure vegetarians by nature but our system does process vegetables in a more natural and quicker way than meat.

  266. Ashley Courtney January 30, 2017 at 10:04 pm - Reply

    Read this Jamie Nay short read but what do you think?

    • Jamie Nay January 30, 2017 at 10:15 pm - Reply

      A very exaggerated way of looking at it but i guess its right, the survival of one thing does in almost all cases relie on the death of another “circle of life kinda thing” although i guess most vegies make that choice to stop the suffering of animals which if everyone was vegie it would largly reduce animal suffering, but not necessa4ly death. I cant see the point in being vegie for that reason tho coz either way someones gunna eat the meat and if it gives you nutrition you need then i guess by natural selection you take it.. Such is life

  267. Kylie Johns January 30, 2017 at 10:05 pm - Reply

    Interesting concept

  268. Xenia Mastoraki January 30, 2017 at 10:05 pm - Reply


  269. Gilbert Maines January 31, 2017 at 1:06 am - Reply

    Those who want to protect animals, only want to protect some animals and not others. Animals with too many legs (octopus, centipede, shrimp, etc) and animals with too few legs (conch, eel, snake, etc) should die. Well, in some cases “should die” is too strong. But if these wrong legged living things eat your preferred plants, instant chemical weapons should be used for mass extermination. Worms, caterpillars, slugs, ants and in many cases larger: mice, squirrels, rabbits, coyotes, bears and others should die. This inconsistency is forgiven because they are sensitive sometimes to some species.

  270. Taylor Britt January 30, 2017 at 10:16 pm - Reply

    I can see both views. Though I feel further reasearch should be done. As well as was this one farm? I don’t like factory farming and the amount of water that goes into factory farming and transportation and gmos. All of it costs so much money and pollutes our system. Obviously this isn’t a perfect world so yes I see where animals may die but if I can contribute to less mass slaughter then by all means no meat for me. Also my body doesn’t want it any more.

  271. Tina Wulfhelmet January 30, 2017 at 10:26 pm - Reply

    Really, the issue is that meat is irresponsibly produced and the whole process isn’t sustainable.. the no-meat movement is really about earth, not about the cute little bunny .

  272. Dean Baldry January 30, 2017 at 10:27 pm - Reply

    Wow! It’s just something for your bias brain to think about.. No need to get aggressive

  273. Dean Baldry January 30, 2017 at 10:34 pm - Reply

    The less people on this planet, the less animals get slaughtered. Pretty simple don’t you think?

  274. Hayley Pinsent January 30, 2017 at 10:39 pm - Reply

    Aww love you too

  275. Karelle Garden January 30, 2017 at 10:39 pm - Reply

    Lets just eat nothing at all

  276. Jim Russel Ong January 30, 2017 at 10:42 pm - Reply

    Fishing for vegans………

  277. Morgan Miles January 30, 2017 at 10:48 pm - Reply

    This is completely ridiculous and false. Do you know how many grains go to domestic animals in farm factories? And how much water is consumed by them? And how much methane is released? This page should not have posted such bs that will deter more people from the meat free lifestyle that would help the environment’S health and their own health.

  278. Tracy Perry January 30, 2017 at 10:51 pm - Reply

    Mmmmmm…. food for thought Lydia Brown

    • Lydia Brown January 31, 2017 at 8:57 am - Reply

      Guess you cant win… Thats it… Time for the dust diet 😉

  279. Melanie Reed January 30, 2017 at 10:53 pm - Reply

    A billion animals are killed annually to feed meat eaters. What do you think those animals eat? This article is fundamentally flawed.

  280. Melissa Payne Luxmoore January 30, 2017 at 10:54 pm - Reply

    Karla I definitely think the bigger issue is the clearing of forests for agriculture, be it for non-meat crops or to create grazing land for our herbivores destined for consumption. We’re damaging our atmosphere and wiping out whole populations of species. Your point of overpopulation is the root issue of course, and as our world populations continue to grow unchecked, this problem will become even more pervasive than it already is We’re all culpable for sure.

  281. Aaron Jamery January 30, 2017 at 10:55 pm - Reply

    Michelle Sanders Frizzell interesting read.

  282. Alice Lizarraga January 30, 2017 at 10:58 pm - Reply

    Ridiculous post. At least theyre trying to make a difference for others even animals. Most people live without thinking of how their choices affect the lives of others. Those researchers should put their brains to better use.

  283. Ivonne Pohlman January 30, 2017 at 11:00 pm - Reply

    He’s an idiot #primitive

  284. Ben de Riter January 30, 2017 at 11:01 pm - Reply

    Come on mate, you’re better than this!

  285. Jeffrey D'Mello January 30, 2017 at 11:02 pm - Reply

    The only thing I’m better than is 1000m in less than 180 seconds.

  286. Heather Harmon January 30, 2017 at 11:03 pm - Reply

    Don’t overthink this… every little bit of compassion for animals helps this world to be a better place … surely

  287. Rhiannon Cousens January 30, 2017 at 11:12 pm - Reply

    Just don’t get why we don’t eat all the crops we feed the cows etc… #ditchmeat #saveouroxygen

  288. James Wills January 30, 2017 at 11:13 pm - Reply

    I didnt read it but i thought u might like to educate urself

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  291. Ben Bellante January 30, 2017 at 11:35 pm - Reply

    Lmao. Angry vegetarians everywhere

  292. Natasha Cocks January 30, 2017 at 11:36 pm - Reply

    PETA Australia see if this makes sense to you guys now as I’ve left a few comments on your go vegan campaigns about this very prospect. This guy turned vegetarian in teenage years to HELP animals but later found he was only helping animals in farming not wild by his choice

  293. Saray Diez January 30, 2017 at 11:41 pm - Reply

    Yeah, fair enough, anything related to mass production is not sustainable but that’s why we should embrace forest gardens and a natural approach to food consumption. Permaculture is the answer. Still believe a vegan opt is better than the omnivore way though (for innumerable reasons) Peace and V

  294. Raquel Baglino January 30, 2017 at 11:42 pm - Reply


  295. Kimberley Bargache January 30, 2017 at 11:49 pm - Reply

    I have been researching a lot to, here is a simple picture to show what I found on the agricultural side of things…
    This shows how much land is needed to supply a year’s worth of food for a family.. the first smallest box is for Vegans, Second one is for the vegetarians and the two last ones are just for omnivores..

  296. Jeff Griffin January 30, 2017 at 11:50 pm - Reply

    Seems to me if people would just grow their own food we would have less issues.

  297. Jared Pecotich January 30, 2017 at 11:52 pm - Reply

    Save the animals from a slow death of malnutrition and starvation. Eat them quickly

  298. Paul Matevicius January 30, 2017 at 11:54 pm - Reply

    Well, all are right in their opinion and observation in this world. Putting however most of the attention of the production of foods like corn solely on vegetarians and vegans? Hmm. Also, just to add, a lot of communities grown their own crops and live off those, it’s not like all veggies and vegans (#vgang) rely on the food system that encourages more rainforests to be destroyed. This article is quite a stretch

  299. Izak White January 30, 2017 at 11:58 pm - Reply

    Izzie Edwards gotta stay up to date yall

  300. Allen Moosakhanian January 30, 2017 at 11:59 pm - Reply

    Ejmin Gharibian what are your thoughts on this???

  301. Leonard Scully January 31, 2017 at 12:01 am - Reply

    Oh no the truth hurts vegans denial.

  302. Linda Skrgatic January 31, 2017 at 12:09 am - Reply

    Argentinian naturalist trying to justify the excessive daily meat bbqs they have over there! It’s all meat meat meat asados, culture built around it. Why did you post this silly perspective he’s not even correct. Don’t waste people’s time.

  303. Lily Pilly January 31, 2017 at 12:09 am - Reply

    Who cares about the argument over eating meat and byproducts of animals or not. It’s “sustainability” that counts. A lot of vege types have no clue that their diet also contributes to the destruction of the environment via monoculture, fertilizers and it’s run off into waterways, and the amount of petrochemical based transport and mechanization required to keep humans fed. A good vegetarian/vegan who cares about environmental impacts should eat locally and sustainably, grow as much food themselves as they can (even apartment dwellers have done this) and learn about permaculture and FOOD FORESTS as the way to provide optimum nutrition while providing good stewardship of the planet’s resources. Just not eating meat is paying lip service to environmentalism and ethics. Read Bill Mollison, Masanobu Fukuoka, David Holmgren.

  304. Em Bem January 31, 2017 at 12:17 am - Reply

    Cycle of life, all omnivores eat meat and plants. You ever see a dog eating a salad? Just be conscious about how much and where the meat and veg is sourced. Gmos are also doing a lot if damage to humans, wildlife and environment and they’re plants

  305. Denise Clark January 31, 2017 at 12:18 am - Reply

    Meat eaters will do or say anything to justify their disgusting habit, just like smokers, alcoholics and drug addicts. Eating meat not only causes suffering to animals, but causes disease and suffering to humans as well. I think deep down we all know this. Like they really care about wildlife. Sure.

  306. David Alan Stanke January 31, 2017 at 12:25 am - Reply

    This article has “Straw Man” written all over it. If I were to argue that 80 percent of deforestation in the Amazon rainforest is due to an increase in raising cattle for human consumption and the reply was, “well, you vegans eat wheat and corn and doing so forces nature to make room for those crops – which in turn can destabilize animal habitats…so there.” Research has shown that of all the agricultural land in the U.S., 80% is used to raise animals for food and grow grain to feed them. You could feed every living person on the planet with the amount of food which is produced for factory farms. But let’s focus on the “perceived misconceptions” of those vegans and vegetarians among us. The Mind Unleashed – If you talk with the majority of vegans/vegetarians, they are well informed on the issues and have made the choice to LIMIT the amount of unnecessary suffering in this world.

  307. James D Xii January 31, 2017 at 12:28 am - Reply

    Checkmate vegans

  308. Ethan Coronado January 31, 2017 at 12:31 am - Reply

    Meat is so yummy though I’d shoot a deer infront of its deer wife if I was hungry enough

  309. Polly Pissy Pants January 31, 2017 at 12:36 am - Reply

    What about the deforestation to make way for cattle grazing hundreds and hundreds of hectares of the Amazon have been destroyed for this purpose

  310. Nikki NG January 31, 2017 at 12:38 am - Reply

    Lolllll this is dumb …. The only example he had was birds been scared off and most crops r grown to feed cattle and than they torchered and killed so it’s double the damage lol. Sounds like my dad wrote that argument for an excuse to eat meat haha

  311. Italia Millán January 31, 2017 at 12:42 am - Reply

    “Ranching-induced deforestation is one of the main causes of loss of some unique plant and animal species in the tropical rainforests of Central and South America as well as carbon release in the atmosphere,” said Henning Steinfeld, Chief of the FAO Livestock Information, Sector Analysis and Policy Branch.

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  313. Damien Boase January 31, 2017 at 12:44 am - Reply

    Probably written by someone in the cattle industry hahaha

  314. Italia Millán January 31, 2017 at 12:45 am - Reply

    “Diets rich in beef and other red meat can be bad for a person’s health. And the practice is equally bad for Earth’s biodiversity, according to a team of scientists who have fingered human carnivory—and its impact on land use—as the single biggest threat to much of the world’s flora and fauna.”

  315. Karen Swanepoel January 31, 2017 at 12:45 am - Reply

    I agree with Sandra Lee. There should be population control. There are too many humans on the planet.

  316. Benjamin Silva January 31, 2017 at 12:46 am - Reply

    Hes not entirely wrong :3

  317. Matt Tholen January 31, 2017 at 12:51 am - Reply

    yes it is because we need more farm land because of the growing population not vegans

  318. Matt Tholen January 31, 2017 at 12:53 am - Reply

    if only cows were carnivores

  319. Italia Millán January 31, 2017 at 12:54 am - Reply

    “Producing crops (soy, corn, wheat, etc.) for animal feed is many times more resource-intensive than using crops for direct human consumption. While there are perilous trade-offs related to fuel vs. food, a more serious concern for a variety of reasons is feed vs. food.

    With 75% of all agricultural land used for animal production—and more than a third of global calories and half of global protein inefficiently used as animal feed —the impact of increasing global meat consumption is monumental.”

  320. Amish Hussein Makina January 31, 2017 at 12:57 am - Reply

    I just had goat meat and I’m not even sorry!

  321. Jerline Nancy January 31, 2017 at 1:10 am - Reply

    I used to be a Non veg lover and can eat almost anything but this one not in favour of animals just for your own good

  322. Chen Gui January 31, 2017 at 1:11 am - Reply

    the time for hunter/gatherer revival IS NEAR!!!! AHAHAHA SERIOUSLY GUYZ

  323. Alexandre Banville January 31, 2017 at 1:20 am - Reply

    Michel Khoury, I didnt read the article, but the title in enough for me;) should I tag Noémie ?

  324. Minwoo Youn January 31, 2017 at 1:22 am - Reply

    Plants feel pain and has ability to remember like many other living things on earth.

    I believe every living thing has a spirit including trees and plants.
    At the end of the day, us humans have to consume living things to exist.

    As much as i love animals and plants we cant just live on water.

    We have to do our part by preserving the planet and its species but unfortunately we have to eat as well.

    I think it’s balance that we are lacking.

    Not enough love and sincerity and too much greed.

    • Sam Adisa February 1, 2017 at 1:48 pm - Reply

      Yeah we have concrete evidence that plants aren’t self aware. This pseudo-esotertic nonsense that flies in the face of documented science really pissed me off

    • Minwoo Youn February 1, 2017 at 2:08 pm - Reply

      Sam Adisa they are still living things aren’t they? If they feel pain and has memory wouldn’t you think they are self aware in some kind of form ? Just because we don’t understand something does not mean its all nonsense somethings can not be explained with our understanding of the universe. Its all science. Science we don’t yet fully understand. I believe spiritual stuff and science are closely related

  325. Cady Gierke January 31, 2017 at 1:25 am - Reply

    The forests are being cut down for livestock!!! The more livestock needed, the more forests are being cleared! The more meat eaters means more livestock. I’d rather clear small patches for gardens than huge patches for livestock.

  326. Stacey McCausland January 31, 2017 at 1:29 am - Reply

    Dumb argument. We use more land to graze cattle and grow feed for them than we would use to grow crops to feed humans.

  327. Sarah Gould January 31, 2017 at 1:30 am - Reply

    Plants are living.. So your killing living things for you own profit whether it’s a “meat product” or a plant.

  328. Daniel Winsor January 31, 2017 at 1:42 am - Reply

    Exactly what so many above have said. More monocrops are grown for livestock than humans could ever possibly consume. If less livestock existed, so would less monocrops like soy and corn, and therefore less wild animals would die.
    Yet again seeing twisted facts come out of what SHOULD be a reputable source but really just a puppet for an industry based on death and defilement.

  329. Ricardo Acevedo January 31, 2017 at 1:43 am - Reply

    LMAOOOO loss of forests ?!? Really ?! since when do humans eat leaves grass or trees ? Dude whoever made this article is either a complete moron or a fraud on so many levels. Not to mention this planet has more green resources than anything on this planet so I find it pretty ridiculous for someone to believe that we aren’t doing animals any good because on the contrary, we aren’t the ones contributing to their pain and suffering. And frankly considering how many of us vegans and vegetarians there are around the world, we are without a doubt making one hell of a difference even if the ignorant omnivores don’t see it

  330. Briana Broderick January 31, 2017 at 1:49 am - Reply

    An absolutely ridiculous article. Thousands of acres of wild terrain such as the amazon is flattened to create space for cattle. And much of the land that is destroyed to farm grain is grain strictly to feed cattle. This article supports non truths and empty points. This is very disappointing.

  331. Lawrence Patrick Singson January 31, 2017 at 1:54 am - Reply

    And of course we have to hear this from an Argentinian.

  332. Roxanne Elizabeth January 31, 2017 at 2:20 am - Reply

    Whatever helps them sleep at night I guess

  333. Calum Davidson January 31, 2017 at 5:33 am - Reply

    I think what the man is trying to say is if for the sake of animal welfare, you are a vegan, the only way you are going to not be in any way harming animals is to neck out so I don’t have to listen to your holier than thou bullshit while im enjoying my deluxe rib eye steak!

  334. Nara Baudelaire January 31, 2017 at 2:41 am - Reply

    Why are you vegetarians trying to guilt omnivores out of being omnivores.
    If you can go against human nature, that’s cool, but it’s scientifically proven that we wouldn’t be as awesome as we are (evelutionary) if we had not been eating meat).
    If you want to argue science with feelings, you’re as bad as the religious.

  335. Susan Cole January 31, 2017 at 2:54 am - Reply

    Bertonatti’s simplistic view does not account for growing all that grain to feed the huge population of livestock. His argument that in nature survival depends on the death of others does not define what is nature. As Colleen Patrick-Goudreau put it: Bringing animals into the world only to kill them is not part of the ‘cycle of nature.’ We artificially inseminate animals, kill them years before their life span is up, then justify it as ‘natural’, comparing ourselves to other animals who kill to survive’. Last time I looked, lions weren’t breeding gazelles.

  336. Ela Gryz January 31, 2017 at 3:03 am - Reply

    Given there is 5 times more animals than people and that they also eat plant produce his arguments do not hold it. It is not vegetarians who contribute to the current state of deforestation and loss of wild life, it is actually meat lovers that do that, we feed the animals that feed us

  337. Satya Narayana January 31, 2017 at 3:09 am - Reply

    He missed the point. We are not hunting animals, we are impreganating them. Thereby using more land. That’s animal farming.

  338. Teresa Folds January 31, 2017 at 3:18 am - Reply

    Alternative facts coming from a country that idolizes the consumption of meat. Should I be surprised? Nope!

    One day, humans will look upon the torture and murder of animals as vile and abhorrent. Many do now. They reject the status quo and the blind participation in the murder of animals and they thrive.

    Eating the rotting flesh of animals is the cause of much suffering and disease in humans. One should not eat anything that causes disease.

  339. Anna Gaukrodger January 31, 2017 at 3:19 am - Reply

    Andygirl Elbe Interesting Read! Yes read it all!

    • Andygirl Elbe January 31, 2017 at 5:58 am - Reply

      I did. And yes in order to do no harm whatsoever I would have to be dead…
      The amount of plant based food humans would need to grow if we didn’t eat meat is far less however to the amount needed to be grown for animal feed… to grow meat…
      I challenge you to watch Forks over Knives and Cowspiracy…

  340. Thomas Thompson January 31, 2017 at 3:24 am - Reply

    6 padics of grain to feed 1 padic cows haven’t eaten meat for 42 years now 60 no health problems still like killing non natives

  341. Glenn Gilmore January 31, 2017 at 3:27 am - Reply

    That’s the most ridiculous proposition ever. If you do eat meat you clear far more land than needed to grow plants to get that meat.

    • Matt Fj January 31, 2017 at 3:34 am - Reply

      In Nz yes. Every where else grow grain by the mile to feed crate / prison kept animals it!! win situation! !!

    • Glenn Gilmore January 31, 2017 at 5:26 am - Reply

      You sill have to clear more acreage to grow enough grain for a cow compared to if it were used to just grow for humans directly.

    • Matt Fj January 31, 2017 at 5:28 am - Reply

      I’m feeling ya!!!

  342. Jason Brooks January 31, 2017 at 3:32 am - Reply

    Hahahaha and the vegans will never talk about over harvested wild edibles, the extinct or near extinct species of plants and fungi. They’ll never realize or admit a plant or fungi is just as much a cognizant or communal being as animal or human which has been proven. They’ll never admit it’s just as much a fad as many of the trendy diet claims. They’ll claim PETA is loving and innocent – when in reality they have been caught committing crimes against animals. Vegans are mostly people who won’t admit that man by nature is an omnivore for nutritional balance. Try selling you can survive in the wilderness on herbs, twigs and berries and every survivalist will laugh you into the ground.

  343. Casey Martin January 31, 2017 at 3:33 am - Reply

    Ok, but what if you grew your own garden and were a completely self-sustaining vegetarian?

  344. Xandd Tamling January 31, 2017 at 3:41 am - Reply

    I knewwwwwwwwwwww

  345. Donald Smart January 31, 2017 at 3:49 am - Reply

    So many people seemed to have missed the point. IF you are a vegetarian for the sole purpose of helping animals you are only helping the domesticated animals we eat. As the study shows a larger number and diversity of animals on say a cattle station as opposed to say a wheat farm. And in my view both are unnecessarily detrimental the the environment.
    As for the debate of should man eat meat i believe nature tells us all we need to know. The majority of food we get from plans is seasonal. So would not be readily available on a day to day basis. Thus the need for another abundant source of food (MEAT). Could be why as far as im aware no native peoples were vegetarian.

  346. Peter Webb January 31, 2017 at 6:52 am - Reply

    I see a fundamental misunderstanding of the livestock industry by many of those commenting here. It is that grain is the normal and necessary food of domestic animals.

    The reality is that the natural food of cattle and sheep is grass. On my property, every single sheep is eating grass. Over 90% of the sheep and cattle in Australia are pastured on grass, and the pastures that they graze are far more diverse and contain far more native species (both plant and animal) than grain fields in the same landscape.

    What the critics further ignore, is that animals can eat a great deal of plant material that humans cannot….. and farmers simply cannot grow 100% human-quality food the whole time.
    A spell of bad weather at harvest and the wheat that would have made your pasta or bread, is spoiled. If we cannot feed it to livestock, it must be wasted.
    The oil that you use in your salad and cooking is only a fraction of the plant that is grown to produce it. The straw and protein meal that remain are valuable by-products if fed to animals, but are wasted if they cannot be used for that purpose.
    We must rotate crops if we are to combat disease without using excessive chemicals, but not all alternative crops are something that you would want to eat.
    Pasture is actually the most sustainable and fertility-budding regime for soil…. growing vegetables or crops requires more tillage, more energy, more diesel and produces more erosion…… but you can’t eat it.

    Don’t talk about “research” without doing it yourself.

  347. Anne-Marie d'Vinichi January 31, 2017 at 4:06 am - Reply

    confusing past and poor agricultural habits with the questions in veganism is poor thinking at best and really not the standard of thinking I would demand of someone with such a reputation.

  348. James Thia January 31, 2017 at 4:18 am - Reply

    Maybe human should learn from buddha to eat 1 meal only (lesser meal)

  349. Andy Drew Randy Spencer January 31, 2017 at 4:22 am - Reply

    I live in a state that hunting and farming is BIG! In the summer the farmers take out more deer at night than the hunters ever thought of. They have to. A heard of deer will absolutely destroy a field of soy beans or corn or even cotton. This can devastate a farmers yield. Same goes for wild hogs.

  350. Cassandra Nevarez January 31, 2017 at 4:33 am - Reply

    Chad Rickman
    Instructor Andrew Serra
    I’ve never heard this point of view.

  351. Floki Chok Dee January 31, 2017 at 4:39 am - Reply

    1. Bulshit – for every cow we eat we need to take down much more forest space.
    2. PERMACULTURE – learn about it –

  352. Fonzo Rodriguez January 31, 2017 at 4:47 am - Reply

    But in school we learn well tought plants are living things

  353. Jonathan Rioux January 31, 2017 at 4:49 am - Reply

    You didn’t now corns has been killing savage fish in the forest for quite a while ?

  354. Douglas Talbott January 31, 2017 at 4:52 am - Reply

    Well you vegans would just have to keep up your abortion practice . Just a nother killing of life .

  355. Cameron Hayes January 31, 2017 at 4:53 am - Reply

    James Hunt time you stopped being vego

  356. Donna Setterberg January 31, 2017 at 4:57 am - Reply

    I’m running out of edible options.

  357. Tyler Houle January 31, 2017 at 5:08 am - Reply

    Jessica Bova this is whati was trying to say talking about vegatariens

  358. Deborah Jordan-Caldwell DeGrendele January 31, 2017 at 5:30 am - Reply

    Everything has a soul.

  359. Priscila Bizinelli January 31, 2017 at 5:32 am - Reply

    Dana Alyssa what’s your opinion about the article?

  360. Juan Cazorla January 31, 2017 at 5:33 am - Reply

    Wow, very interesting

  361. Liz Valadez January 31, 2017 at 5:36 am - Reply

    He is the one with a misconception. The cultivation of crops is mostly to feed animals nowadays, if we didn’t use it to feed animals we could easily eradicate starving ppl in the world. Watch Cowspiracy, it is explained in detail.

  362. Didee Higgins January 31, 2017 at 5:36 am - Reply

    Whatever this crap is
    It is an article made up and played for by the animal agriculture industry in attempts to justify destroying the planet
    Please educate yourself and realize it is wrong on every level to have animals BRED and killed

  363. SumanTh Nukul January 31, 2017 at 5:37 am - Reply

    Lol 😀 tel me how you eat meat without adding veggies to it

  364. Be Solomon January 31, 2017 at 5:49 am - Reply

    Just don’t eat. Simple. I heard they are making rice out of plastic these days in China.

  365. Raymond Powell January 31, 2017 at 6:03 am - Reply

    Far more land is used up to grow all the food for the animals that are then slaughtered. So this article is not quite right.

  366. Sara Lynn January 31, 2017 at 6:04 am - Reply

    Well what does he suggest we eat then? I’d still support the non eating of “domestic” animals- if you have ever seen a video inside a factory these animals are in misery their entire life. At least a wild animal was wild and experienced life. This article should not deter anyone from abstaining from meat. ✌

  367. Jessica Satori January 31, 2017 at 6:07 am - Reply

    A cow has to eat 14-16 pounds of grain to produce just one pound of meat for consumption. How many people can 1 pound of meat feed? And how many people can 16 pounds of grain feed? So one block of land harvesting crops would feed many more people than would the same size block harvesting cattle for meat production. Therefore, if more people became vegetarians or vegans, far less land would have to be farmed for production of food than if there existed no vegetarians or vegans at all, therefore contributing less not only to the killing of the otherwise farmed animals but also the wild ones. So although I do agree that wild animals die for farmed land, far fewer of them would have to do so if no-one ate meat or wore leather.

  368. Thalia Rose January 31, 2017 at 6:13 am - Reply

    Oh yeah and what about all the land it took to destroy to create miles and miles of cages for crowded cows I’ve seen in east California and Texas. Like I have cried from the 10 cows huddled in mud some laying on each other in a little metal box and there were hundreds of these little fenced in spaces crowding each other I don’t even understand how they got those cows in there it was so unimaginable….I can’t believe I have to explain….this article is crap, I would rather eat a plant then an animal that has a face and organs like me.

  369. B Nichole Hilliard January 31, 2017 at 6:18 am - Reply

    People dont realize that plants are Alive also. And are capable of suffering. They stay alive much longer than we do when they’re mutilated too. Some plants can be out od the round for days or weeks and still regrow. Showing fhey never died. They just sat slowly suffering to death

  370. Niamh Kehoe January 31, 2017 at 6:18 am - Reply

    Benny Keatley didn’t you say this?

  371. Yousaf Zaid January 31, 2017 at 6:28 am - Reply

    You mean kill the vegetarian and you will save birds?This may not be correct.I would amend your theory like this:Eat up all eggs so that nothing is left for hen to hatch.Introduce animal abortions so that animals don’t have babies for you to adopt,hug and suffer.

  372. Joe Gillespie January 31, 2017 at 6:29 am - Reply

    So grow your own food..

  373. Mudassir Ahmed January 31, 2017 at 6:34 am - Reply

    You can claim anything some will support and others may oppose.

    Do what suits best for you? you need something to eat to satiate the hunger be it plant, animals fruits etc etc.

    Think about people who doesnt have anything to eat. If you dont eat meat or veg donate.

    At the end of the day someone is fed something thats Humanity.

  374. Jœ G Brown January 31, 2017 at 6:43 am - Reply

    They do it for moral reasons… Jacob Pendleton

    • Jacob Pendleton January 31, 2017 at 3:10 pm - Reply

      Also he’s wrong since the vast majority of crops grown go to feed the billions of animals we slaughter

    • Jacob Pendleton January 31, 2017 at 3:10 pm - Reply

      Also he’s wrong since the vast majority of crops grown go to feed the billions of animals we slaughter

  375. David Laliberte January 31, 2017 at 6:49 am - Reply

    eating meat is fine IF there were a few billion less humans to eat them AND if we did not use the meat industry in such a inhumane way.

  376. Jessica Rana January 31, 2017 at 6:53 am - Reply

    in my opinion, everyone over eats and wastes too much food.

  377. Liam Solo January 31, 2017 at 7:03 am - Reply

    The majority of earth’s crops (grain and legumes) are grown to feed cows. It takes a fraction of the amount of land mass (and damage to wildlife) to grow veggies to feed a person than it does to grow grain to feed a cow.
    This entire article is bogus and misleading and serves only the meat and dairy industries.

  378. Benjamin Chepre January 31, 2017 at 7:03 am - Reply

    Its a fact, that a lot of animal, that almost went extinct, were just bred again, to eat them :D. For a vegan, its a bit sad but for someone you likes to eat meat its nice xD.

  379. Rigdzin Palden Dorje Markus January 31, 2017 at 10:05 am - Reply Full movie with Spanish subtitles, if you watch it until the end, you’ll see where he is wrong. And of course, you can’t live without killing, this is samsara, and still, you can make a big change

  380. Dillon Hall January 31, 2017 at 7:40 am - Reply

    I heard my lettuce screaming

  381. Jessica Rose January 31, 2017 at 7:42 am - Reply


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  383. Vash Wolf January 31, 2017 at 7:49 am - Reply

    I like my steak

  384. Jennifer Norman January 31, 2017 at 7:51 am - Reply

    My thoughts exactly

  385. Tranquil Haze January 31, 2017 at 7:55 am - Reply

    There are also holistic ways to repel animals by utilizing certain other animals or plants called companion planting. This sounds like a meat eater trying to illegitimately defend their belief by only comparing meat eating with conventional mono-cropping methods. It also excludes all of the environmental impacts of raising meat as well as all of the health benefits of a whole foods plant-based diet. I was born and raised in the midwest and ate meat for 25 years before I noticed too many cracks in what we are taught to ignore and began to educated myself to change my diet.

    Following are a few of those impacts for anyone interested in learning:

  386. Jaime Antonio Araya-Rodariguez January 31, 2017 at 7:56 am - Reply

    What an absolute joke of an argument. This doesn’t even need debating, almost every comment on this highlights his simplistic point of view.

  387. Amanito Muscario January 31, 2017 at 7:58 am - Reply

    This is so stupid that I have no words. This man don’t know that at least 60% of vegetables are cultivated for aninals to eat…

  388. Chase Jenks January 31, 2017 at 8:18 am - Reply

    Vegetarian “ism”. Vegan “ism”. their ideologies. Its means their beliefs aren’t necessarily rooted in facts, like many religions. Instead their rooted in doctrines that they are taught which may or may not be truth, but their views towards meat may be based off feelings , or some morality that has been taught to them by other followers or doctrines. PETA? Green Peace? these groups support Eco Terrorism , and misinformation to get their points across. Kind of how some people fly jets through buildings, or shoot up nightclubs for their faith. Supporting the firebombing of pounds, animal shelters, veterinarian’s offices and other things. Giving children boxes of bloodied chicken parts. Showing pictures of one incident and saying it represents and entire industry to promote your message…Not all farmers are horrible animal abusers. their are quite a few treat their animals right…Yes they eventually kill them for food but, they reduce their suffering. Not all sheep look bloodied and beaten after being sheared. Not all GMO’s are dangerous….Infact, humans have been genetically altering plants for decades. Deforestation and pollution is a problem but, it is caused by farms both raisin livestock, and growing produce. Both of which seem to have greener and more effective methods that only a few farmers are pioneering. lastly, there is no objectifiable morality that proves eating meat is evil. Probably the best method would be to balance out both meat and plants…also consider growing a taste for insects. Many countries already eat them….maybe its time first world nations join them…its just protein… and theres like billions of crickets out there.

  389. Cheryl Lambert January 31, 2017 at 11:20 am - Reply

    Bullshit! I eat organic produce..and not commercially grown vegetables and grains. I do not contribute to killing wild insects birds by eating organic. If we are trying our best to stay healthy and cause less suffering by not killing and exploitation of animals. Please please explain if we are organic vegan what are we supposed to eat then? I think this article is bollocks as it suggests vegans and vegetarians are at fault for destroying the rainforest I strongly disagree with this. The only reason such crops are grown are probably GMO crops by Monsanto. They don’t care what impact and implications they have on ecosystems, nature and humans and animals.

  390. Christi Schenk January 31, 2017 at 8:24 am - Reply

    This is a disappointment coming from this page, The Mind Unleashed. Veganism is about lessening our carbon footprint here on earth, lessening the harm we do to other sentient beings including mother nature. Lesser demand for animal products always helps…it may not deter killing and abuse altogether but it does HELP in sustaining which companies should thrive and continue. I seriously doubt the veracity of this article. Rejoice that some people could go vegan or vegetarian or even flexitarian….widening our circle of compassion to include animals and environment would prove to be so beneficial for this planet (healthy food also benefits the person). Veganism is essential also to spiritually enhance ourselves, for our ascension. Why try to discourage people from veganism when this is so good for the infinite ALL? <3

  391. Tomáš Ōkami Susko January 31, 2017 at 8:26 am - Reply

    this is the stupidest argument I ve ever read. This Italian- Argentian funny guy is argumeting with this statement: “The first impact of such foods production is the loss of forests. We are forcing nature to make room for crops. Many rainforests around the globe disappeared due to wheat and corn fields.” 🙂 Most of this corps are using also for feed that animals that you want to eat or have a milk bro. Rain forest – soya beans for animals feeding. So this is not a argument against vegetarianism and veganism but against industrial – consum capitalsit economy. very very very weak – non argument. sorry. and this argument is nothing when you have your own self production like small gardens and so on, like fully raw Kristina and so on.

  392. Jean Benoit January 31, 2017 at 8:34 am - Reply

    I love bacon. Bacon is great. I had bacon twice today. Bacon with breakfast and bacon in my veal burger. I eat plants also, but when possible i like my plants with some bacon also.

  393. Alli Browning January 31, 2017 at 8:44 am - Reply

    Not sure where the science is in this. There’s lots of quotes but little evidence. Having just read an evidence-based article countering this argument I’m dubious.

  394. Lea Leia Eberarsch January 31, 2017 at 8:52 am - Reply

    I think in most points he’s right. But if there were less production of meat, the huge slaughterhouses can be shut down and the livestock would be reduced, there were more ground for vegetabels and less animal feed to produce. So on one Hand he’s right, but He forget many points that have a big influence.

  395. Keith Taylor January 31, 2017 at 8:52 am - Reply

    This is just another “alternative fact” meat eaters like to come up with to help them sleep at night.

  396. Michael Barnett January 31, 2017 at 8:57 am - Reply

    We need less humans period

  397. Craciunescu Stefan January 31, 2017 at 9:00 am - Reply

    Years of research to make a stupid statement like this.even a 10yr old knows how much an animal eats or a human…and so on

  398. Will McGregor January 31, 2017 at 9:03 am - Reply

    Dylan share to JSDMS

    • Dylan Patel January 31, 2017 at 4:18 pm - Reply

      U do it.

    • Will McGregor January 31, 2017 at 4:27 pm - Reply

      Nah I’m not evil don’t have the heart those poor vegans

    • Dylan Patel January 31, 2017 at 4:33 pm - Reply

      They should go to this one city in India where there’s a temple, they have more cows than people because noone will do population control

    • Will McGregor January 31, 2017 at 4:35 pm - Reply

      Sounds delicious. And peaceful

  399. Kevin Watkinson January 31, 2017 at 9:19 am - Reply
  400. Владан Профировић January 31, 2017 at 9:20 am - Reply

    Main problem is that production and grow domestic animals is always in grow but there is not needed bcs number of vegetarians is also in grow and companies who producing meat don”t care for that and continue to grow more animals for killing, directly they need more farms to make food for that animals and now we both destroy forests to make more farms, but if we continue and don’t use there products then profit will be lower, like so much more we make vege much they will collapse like revolution, maybe just maybe someday we all be vege and replace farms for food animals to kill in farms with live animals and crops for all people then i am sure will be less starving in whole planet

  401. Tim Ridden January 31, 2017 at 9:29 am - Reply

    Thks article creates a perspective of thought for me that I had never thought of before. As vegetarians and vegans we like to think of ourselves as not contributing to the killing of animals, and although I chose not to eat dairy due to the killing that is involved there I had never considered the animals that are killed to protect a crop of grains, or even the animals that are killed to make room for a crop of vegetables. Here’s my humble opinion. I know that it takes much less room to grow vegetables and grains than to produce livestock, so I guess I have to be ok with that. The truth is that its impossible to live in this world without killing something, whether its an animal that walks in front of your car, even a fly or mosquito that’s you squash. For me the key is that I’m doing something at least, to minimise the suffering for other living things. It’s not a perfect system, not everything is saved, but I can say that by not eating meat of dairy I am at least doing something.

  402. Viridiana Alvarez January 31, 2017 at 9:30 am - Reply

    Wrong! The mistreatment of animals we consume thats what vegetarians are against. Mass production of meat, a cow giving life to meat, a chicken’s only purpose is eggs and discarded like trash afterwards.

  403. Eddy Nassif January 31, 2017 at 9:43 am - Reply

    Dude this is the most stupid thing i’ve ever read
    Not a 0.1% convinced

  404. Melanie Dominguez January 31, 2017 at 9:49 am - Reply

    Animals in nature do die from human impact as do plants but at least they don’t have to go through the horror of factory farming for meat production. Human beings presence on earth results in environmental impact, mostly negative, but this argument is circular and is just another meat eater trying to demonstrate that vegans and vegetarians fail in some way in their goal of helping animals. Just like when someone cruelly laughs at you for accidentally eating something that has an animal product in it. We can only try to do as much as we can to keep as many animals from suffering as possible and try to teach as many others to be compassionate towards animals. We just do our best and at least it’s something rather than pointing our that our existence is harmful.

  405. Aislinn Pilia January 31, 2017 at 9:50 am - Reply

    Mono culture of any kind is bad for the environment. Probably the worst being Beef…. this is deeply flawed argument and I’m not even vegetarian

  406. Vince Mulvena January 31, 2017 at 9:50 am - Reply

    Why kill animals, just go to the supermarket a buy it , like most others do.

  407. Neil Lawrence Joy January 31, 2017 at 9:55 am - Reply

    What a load of hoof! This is laughable & simply an obsurd argument

  408. Clara Younes January 31, 2017 at 9:56 am - Reply

    I know :p just sharing some info :p

  409. Parth Mehta January 31, 2017 at 10:07 am - Reply

    It’s Not necessary that the Scientists are only smart people on the earth. They could be idiots too. History of bizarre animal experiments is a proof. In my opinion this is dumb post

  410. Eddy Nassif January 31, 2017 at 10:09 am - Reply

    Hahahah thanks for sharing :p

  411. April Victoria King January 31, 2017 at 10:10 am - Reply

    If Bertonatti was American, Trump would write an Executive Order for him to be the editor of Vegetarian Times. Yeah, saying that Trump would appoint you to any position is the new greatest insult.

  412. Nicholas Bruce January 31, 2017 at 10:33 am - Reply


  413. Michelle Musgrave January 31, 2017 at 10:33 am - Reply

    Ooooo I don’t think so

  414. Anki Øde January 31, 2017 at 10:38 am - Reply


  415. Aleksandra J. Kulczycka January 31, 2017 at 10:41 am - Reply

    The dumbest argument EVER! Last time I checked I ate far less grain than a cow

  416. Sahil Bakshi January 31, 2017 at 10:41 am - Reply

    He is a moron.

  417. Arti Rajvanshi January 31, 2017 at 10:44 am - Reply

    Thats right. Dont kill the wild animals, instead breed and factory farm them under inhumane conditions, inject them with drugs, force feed them and then kill them for consumption! Thats better? Ridiculous. I dont even know why such stupid viewpoint is published on your page!

  418. Lindsay Linz Bray January 31, 2017 at 1:45 pm - Reply

    Most obvious case of pseudoscience I’ve read. Author claims to be a naturalist, but the inaccuracies and assumptions in the article are frankly laughable. Where are the ratios of crops grown for livestock consumption, versus those grown for human consumption? Where are the studies that suggest this? Where’s the research?

    The whole article reads like the ramblings of a guilty conscience, trying to deflect that guilt by accusing vegetarians and vegans of a non-existent bigger crime. It sounds like the kinds of things my guilt-ridden mind would come out with when I was trying to defend eating meat while my conscience struggled with the guilt. Been veggie for nearly 8 months and those excuses (because that is what these are) were silenced immediately.

    Also, there are more reasons than ethics alone for being vegetarian or vegan. Health benefits being one such example. No mention of those in this article.

    We’re all free to choose whether or not to eat meat. If the author’s taste for meat outweighs his guilty conscience, I’m happy for him, but he has no right to try to guilt-trip others by accusing them of a larger (non-existent) “crime” without a sliver of evidence.

  419. Greg Fitzgerald January 31, 2017 at 10:46 am - Reply

    Suck eggs vegans…